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re: Pels want to move to top of draft, BI to be “aggressively” shopped per Stein
Posted on 5/13/24 at 10:32 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 5/13/24 at 10:32 am to TigerinATL
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Getting Murray/Okongwu back was a widely reported deal that we kicked around last year before the deadline.
Exactly. Same for Allen. Tons of reports out there that we wanted him too but Griff never pulled the trigger. I think Griff would rather do a deal centered mostly around Ingram and a pick or two in order to fix things i.e. the BI for Allen because then he gets a center that WG will use and a center that theoritically pairs well with Z while not giving up a ton of future assets that he can use later if/when he needs to upgrade point guard.
But I think he would prefer throwing more assets in there in order to get a pairing like Murray/Okongwu. I would prefer that too but I dont think ATL is going to part with Murray, which is why I think Griff is only really interested at Allen for the right price. But if it's a price he doesn't like, I think he'd 100% go for deals like Duren + the number 5 as a worst case scenario but still a trade he would do.
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Posted on 5/13/24 at 10:41 am to WicKed WayZ
You really think we'd have to attach a pick with BI to get Allen?
Posted on 5/13/24 at 10:51 am to SlowFlowPro
I would think not but I put nothing past Griffin. He loves to overpay and I think he's going to go after Murray/Okongwu or Allen pretty aggressively.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 11:01 am to WicKed WayZ
I mean I just can't see Allen having more value than BI, and CLE has to deal him (or Mobley) this offseason, so that discount should exist for him, too.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 11:03 am to SlowFlowPro
I would go all in for mobley, but he will not be available.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 11:03 am to MrJimBeam
It's theoretically possible if they can't deal Allen (similar to ATL and Murray being OTB became Trae)
*ETA: it would cost a TON more. I'd go all in on Mobley, though. Bam is still the dream, but Mobley is worth our war chest considering our needs, his fit, and his talent.
*ETA: it would cost a TON more. I'd go all in on Mobley, though. Bam is still the dream, but Mobley is worth our war chest considering our needs, his fit, and his talent.
This post was edited on 5/13/24 at 11:25 am
Posted on 5/13/24 at 11:21 am to WicKed WayZ
I think Griffin will be an idiot yet again with Zion and get a 5 that can't shoot.
Favors, Adams, JV, and i'm sure he wants Allen more than anyone else. At least Allen is a lob threat offensively. And i really like Jarrett Allen, but for gods sake can be please try to get a big that can shoot for once.
If we could get the #3 pick from Houston and Jabari Smith Jr for BI, then i would do everythign i can to send that to the Jazz for Markannen.
I have no interest in any trade with Detroit.
Spurs aren't trading out of #4, and neither are the Wiz at #2.
I'd love to do a trade for #6 and Miles Bridges, but he's an UFA so that can't happen at the draft.
I think it would be interesting to see what a trade to Portland could look like for BI. Scoot and Jerami Grant with Grant getting rerouted to Cleveland for Allen wouldn't be bad at all.
Favors, Adams, JV, and i'm sure he wants Allen more than anyone else. At least Allen is a lob threat offensively. And i really like Jarrett Allen, but for gods sake can be please try to get a big that can shoot for once.
If we could get the #3 pick from Houston and Jabari Smith Jr for BI, then i would do everythign i can to send that to the Jazz for Markannen.
I have no interest in any trade with Detroit.
Spurs aren't trading out of #4, and neither are the Wiz at #2.
I'd love to do a trade for #6 and Miles Bridges, but he's an UFA so that can't happen at the draft.
I think it would be interesting to see what a trade to Portland could look like for BI. Scoot and Jerami Grant with Grant getting rerouted to Cleveland for Allen wouldn't be bad at all.
This post was edited on 5/13/24 at 11:22 am
Posted on 5/13/24 at 11:27 am to TeddyPadillac
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I think Griffin will be an idiot yet again with Zion and get a 5 that can't shoot.
Zion has shown he can do good things without a stretch 5
There aren't bigs who can both shoot and play D that will be available likely. Bam is the unicorn. Mobley is also a unicorn option, but he can't shoot (yet).
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If we could get the #3 pick from Houston and Jabari Smith Jr for BI, then i would do everythign i can to send that to the Jazz for Markannen.
Wait...why not just keep JSJ?
Posted on 5/13/24 at 11:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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Zion has shown he can do good things without a stretch 5
yeah we've been real successful in the playoffs the last 5 years.
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There aren't bigs who can both shoot and play D that will be available likely. Bam is the unicorn. Mobley is also a unicorn option, but he can't shoot (yet).
Sure there are. and Bam isn't a unicorn b/c he isn't a threat from 3. Sure he started shooting them this year, but no on is going to care when he shoots from 3. He's not spreading the floor on offense like Markannen would.
And we've proven we don't need an awesome defensive center to be a good defensive team.
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Wait...why not just keep JSJ?
b/c he's no where near as good as Markannen.
He's had 2 years to do whatever he wanted on bad teams and all he could muster was 13ppg? He's supposed to be this guy that can get a shot off on anyone, yet he could'nt put up big numbers on a crap team like so many other guys are capable of.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 11:43 am to TeddyPadillac
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and Bam isn't a unicorn b/c he isn't a threat from 3.
A big doesn't have to shoot from 3 to create space. Anything outside of the paint, including midrange, works.
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And we've proven we don't need an awesome defensive center to be a good defensive team.
And Willie will bench a bad defensive big for a guy like Nance.
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b/c he's no where near as good as Markannen.
He's had 2 years to do whatever he wanted on bad teams and all he could muster was 13ppg? He's supposed to be this guy that can get a shot off on anyone, yet he could'nt put up big numbers on a crap team like so many other guys are capable of.
If he's this bad, we wouldn't likely get LM for him
I'm fine with trading BI for LM. I just don't think it solves our problems, especially given our coach.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 11:46 am to SlowFlowPro
I wish we could just start the offseason now. I dgaf about the rest of the playoffs. Once the Lakers were out, I'm indifferent.
Pulling for Denver again because I like Jokic's game.
Pulling for Denver again because I like Jokic's game.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 11:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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A big doesn't have to shoot from 3 to create space. Anything outside of the paint, including midrange, works.
You can be an elite rim runner and create some havoc on the defense, but no one is creating space unless they can knock down 3's at a rate that makes teams have to go guard them, and that's not Bam.
And i would love to have Bam, but I'd rather Markannen.
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And Willie will bench a bad defensive big for a guy like Nance.
Markannen isn't a bad defender, and no one is benching him for a guy like Nance, who had a worse on/off NetRtg than JV this past year.
Our NetRtg was better with JV than it was with Larry this year.
How y'all like this stat:
starting lineup 3P% with JV: 39% attempting 6.5 per game.
starting lineup 3P% with Larry: 28% attempting 3.0 per game.
We rebounded drastically better, had more assists, blocked more shots, and had more steals, which all lead to the NetRtg being better with JV than Larry.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 12:05 pm to ghost2most
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I wish we could just start the offseason now
It basically starts this week. Draft combine so many of the leagues execs and scouts are in Chicago all week.
This is where the outline of deals start to take shape.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 12:09 pm to TeddyPadillac
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You can be an elite rim runner and create some havoc on the defense, but no one is creating space unless they can knock down 3's
Again. The midrange works just as well by drawing out defenders. 3s are optimal, but anything outside of the paint works.
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And i would love to have Bam, but I'd rather Markannen.
You're probably on an island there.
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We rebounded drastically better, had more assists, blocked more shots, and had more steals, which all lead to the NetRtg being better with JV than Larry.
And JV was benched for Larry. I'd expect we would have all better stats with LM over Larry, too, but that's no reason to think Willie wouldn't bench LM
The biggest issue with LM is he has to be assisted. Losing our 2nd best playmaker in exchange for LM, would be a problem.
Those aren't final numbers, but I doubt they're that much different.
I like LM just fine, and I'd prefer him 100000000000% over Trae Young or the #5 pick, but I don't think he solves our problem.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 12:10 pm to Fun Bunch
44 days until the draft. Probably won’t hear anything exciting for another month
Posted on 5/13/24 at 12:19 pm to TigerinATL
quote:You would think so but probably not since you would have to deal with Ainge.
Is Clingan any better than Kessler? Seems like Kessler would be cheaper.
This post was edited on 5/13/24 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 5/13/24 at 12:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I like LM just fine, and I'd prefer him 100000000000% over Trae Young or the #5 pick, but I don't think he solves our problem.
You’re going to disagree with everyone here because you’re valuing BI way too high.
Teddy also values BI but hes not putting these crazy value parameters on BI either. Hes been decently rational on what to get back. You really need to understand yes BI has value but you’re strictly looking at this from a pelicans fans’ lenses. Around the NBA, people aren’t viewing him as this really important all around star. In a sense hes almost a depreciating asset especially because of his recent shortcomings in the playoffs and huge contract coming up.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 12:33 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Teddy also values BI but hes not putting these crazy value parameters on BI either. Hes been decently rational on what to get back. You really need to understand yes BI has value but you’re strictly looking at this from a pelicans fans’ lenses. Around the NBA, people aren’t viewing him as this really important all around star. In a sense hes almost a depreciating asset especially because of his recent shortcomings in the playoffs and huge contract coming up.
I just don't see his fit in the modern NBA. He's an offense killer. He's the epitome of a dude who can get stats on a shite team.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 12:33 pm to Pels_Yaz
This almost feels like it needs its own thread.
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 5/13/24 at 12:36 pm to ghost2most
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I just don't see his fit in the modern NBA. He's an offense killer. He's the epitome of a dude who can get stats on a shite team.
Hes 27 too. A lot of this is what he believes- hes not changing his game. The key is can Griffin find a trade partner that still believes they can reinvent BI.
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