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re: Game of Thrones S8E5 "The Bells" premiered five years ago today...
Posted on 5/13/24 at 11:26 am to AUCom96
Posted on 5/13/24 at 11:26 am to AUCom96
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All of this was rushed and compressed into far too small of a space.
This. I think everyone knew/knows that Dany will go mad (books and show). The problem was that they decided to smash together the last season and it happened way too quickly to make sense.
That same problem negatively impacted every character and storyline over the final two seasons.
frick D&D, I'm glad the show they gave up on GoT for never even got a pilot.
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Posted on 5/13/24 at 11:31 am to Indefatigable
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frick D&D, I'm glad the show they gave up on GoT for never even got a pilot.
This schadenfreude united the internet
Posted on 5/13/24 at 11:48 am to OMLandshark
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To be fair, we actually knew in Season 7 where Jon “The King in the North” Snow goes over the Wall in an extremely idiotic effort to capture a living wight to convince batshit crazy Cersei to fight with them. Dumbest moment of the entire show bar none.
Did my first rewatch back in February (something I swore I'd never do) and started a thread talking about how this was where the show officially went off the rails. thread
Looking back to when the show was airing live and discussing it on here, I pretty much defended the show more than most, up until the final act of the series finale. So I defended it longer than 99% of people. Obviously I knew the show had dropped in quality massively, but I still felt there were redeeming qualities even into Season 8. For example, I actually loved The Battle of Winterfell.
But I remember watching The Bells live and when Dany was on Drogon sitting on the city walls and she was breathing hard, and the bells were going off in the background. As much as I was frustrated with the show, I was holding my breath in that moment. It was an intense moment. Like there was a weight on me as a viewer that almost 8 seasons had built up to this single moment. When she started burning the city, my heart seriously sunk.
When you discuss it on here as much as we did obviously I knew that was the most likely outcome, but I thought given how little they spent on her going mad, that they wouldn't make her the mad queen. If it went that route in the books, fine, I'm sure GRRM would progress her character to that point in a better way, but Dumb and Dumber did not.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 12:14 pm to RollTide1987
It was all downhill after Hardhome
Posted on 5/13/24 at 12:39 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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But I remember watching The Bells live and when Dany was on Drogon sitting on the city walls and she was breathing hard, and the bells were going off in the background.
I didn’t remember this at the time, but some other show watcher did, which shows D&D really didn’t give a shite:
But whenever I get depressed at the end of Game of Thrones, I just have to watch this to start laughing hysterically:
Posted on 5/13/24 at 12:54 pm to Indefatigable
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This. I think everyone knew/knows that Dany will go mad (books and show). The problem was that they decided to smash together the last season and it happened way too quickly to make sense.
That same problem negatively impacted every character and storyline over the final two seasons.
frick D&D, I'm glad the show they gave up on GoT for never even got a pilot.
Does anyone know for sure whether or not they could have made more seasons? Was it D&D's call to wrap it up then, or could they have gone longer?
If they knew they were wrapping it at 8 seasons back in like season 6, they had way too many open ends to tie up in the final season.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 1:00 pm to OMLandshark
quote:this was my "oh, it's really starting to go downhill" moment when i watched the series for the first time last year.
To be fair, we actually knew in Season 7 where Jon “The King in the North” Snow goes over the Wall in an extremely idiotic effort to capture a living wight to convince batshit crazy Cersei to fight with them. Dumbest moment of the entire show bar none.
eta: looking back, there were some signs before that but that's when I went from loving to hating the show.
This post was edited on 5/13/24 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 5/13/24 at 1:19 pm to VolSquatch
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Does anyone know for sure whether or not they could have made more seasons? Was it D&D's call to wrap it up then, or could they have gone longer?
If they knew they were wrapping it at 8 seasons back in like season 6, they had way too many open ends to tie up in the final season.
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In a new book titled Tinderbox: HBO’s Ruthless Pursuit of New Frontier, journalist James Andrew Miller claims that Martin pleaded with HBO to end the fantasy drama series after ten seasons instead of eight. But according to E!, the showrunners wouldn’t budge.
Miller reportedly got his information from Martin’s agent, Paul Haas, who told him that the author flew across the country to ask HBO’s former CEO, Richard Plepler, to extend the series. “George would fly to New York to have lunch with Plepler, to beg him to do ten seasons of ten episodes because there was enough material for it and to tell him it would be a more satisfying and more entertaining experience,” Haas told Miller.
Unfortunately, even if Martin got Plepler’s blessing, Game of Thrones showrunners David Benioff and Dan Weiss were set on the show ending after Season 8. “Dan and Dave were tired, rightfully so,” Haas says in the book. “They were done, and wanted to move on, so they cut it short and then negotiations became, how many seasons can we stretch this out? Because of course HBO wanted more.”
GoT was a cash cow, they would have put up money for 100 seasons. D&D had just checked out.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 1:21 pm to VolSquatch
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Does anyone know for sure whether or not they could have made more seasons?
They effectively gave D&D a blank check and then they rushed the ending because they were sick of doing the show and really up their own arse for how brilliant they were. They were thinking that they were going to take over Star Wars, which is never going to happen. You look outside of Game of Thrones, their records outside of that are pretty atrocious.
This post was edited on 5/13/24 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 5/13/24 at 1:22 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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George would fly to New York to have lunch with Plepler, to beg him to do ten seasons of ten episodes because there was enough material for it
Where the frick is it, George?
Posted on 5/13/24 at 1:24 pm to Esquire
I know right. I'm sure that's the questioned they asked too. D&D are douche's but GRRM is even worse.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 1:55 pm to VolSquatch
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Does anyone know for sure whether or not they could have made more seasons? Was it D&D's call to wrap it up then, or could they have gone longer?
I believe HBO was open to ten full seasons. D&D said "nah, screw it. Not only will we wrap it up now, we'll do it with a smaller amount of episodes per season so that we can really blow through the ending we've been building for 8 years."
Posted on 5/13/24 at 2:05 pm to OMLandshark
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They effectively gave D&D a blank check and then they rushed the ending because they were sick of doing the show and really up their own arse for how brilliant they were
Which is funny because if they could have just lived in the moment and focused on making a good product with the IP they were already associated with they might have been considered brilliant. It was THE cultural phenomenon of that time..... even during the later, lower quality seasons. Hard to live in the moment at times, I guess.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 2:31 pm to OMLandshark
I always believe they thought they could extend their careers further past what GoT was going to do. They basically were looking towards the next game before finishing the current one. They are just making a come back with 3 Body Problem.
This post was edited on 5/13/24 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 5/13/24 at 2:38 pm to jmarto1
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I always believe they thought they could extend their careers further past what GoT was going to do. They basically were looking towards the next game before finishing the current one
Well that definitely happened, and they should have handed over the show to some people who knew the lore well and actually wanted to finish it. That’s my problem with these two hacks is that they wouldn’t do that. They deluded themselves into thinking they were geniuses when quite frankly they were propped up by a genius (as lazy as he may be) for five seasons and then a talented cast and crew for all of it.
Honestly the writing was on the wall as far back as Season 3 when they did the Pod dick size subplot in an episode. That was absurd and stupid, and was a sign of things to come when they actually ran out of George’s material.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 3:21 pm to OMLandshark
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. Sir Too Fat to Write a Book
That’s Ser Too Fat To Write A Book.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 4:45 pm to OMLandshark
The memes from that episode were great.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 5:16 pm to pevetohead
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real ones knew the show tanked its final season with the Long Night episode. A LOT of people were still in denial until The Doors episode, and then they realized what everyone had already known 2 weeks prior.
Why did you hate The Door? I hated Season 8. But The Door was one of my most gripping episodes of all time. My daughter in law and I clung to each other crying and screaming at the TV while watching it.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 5:26 pm to OMLandshark
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To be fair, we actually knew in Season 7 where Jon “The King in the North” Snow goes over the Wall in an extremely idiotic effort to capture a living wight to convince batshit crazy Cersei to fight with them. Dumbest moment of the entire show bar none.
Guarantee you these idiots were working backward...
How does the Night King get past the wall?
D&B: "Hmmm he's gonna need one of the dragons, but why in the world would Dany fly the dragons north of the wall?..................
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OOH, I KNOW WHY!"
Posted on 5/13/24 at 5:28 pm to LaLadyinTx
Think he means "The Bells"
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