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Putin ceasefire proposal shows he never had interest in invading other countries.
Posted on 5/24/24 at 10:03 am
Posted on 5/24/24 at 10:03 am
Putin ceasefire proposal shows he never had interest in invading other countries. NATO charlatans exposed as liars.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-wants-ukraine-ceasefire-current-090432297.html
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MOSCOW/LONDON (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin is ready to halt the war in Ukraine with a negotiated ceasefire that recognises the current battlefield lines, four Russian sources told Reuters, saying he is prepared to fight on if Kyiv and the West do not respond.
Three of the sources, familiar with discussions in Putin's entourage, said the veteran Russian leader had expressed frustration to a small group of advisers about what he views as Western-backed attempts to stymie negotiations and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy's decision to rule out talks.
"Putin can fight for as long as it takes, but Putin is also ready for a ceasefire – to freeze the war," said another of the four, a senior Russian source who has worked with Putin and has knowledge of top level conversations in the Kremlin.
He, like the others cited in this story, spoke on condition of anonymity given the matter's sensitivity.
For this account, Reuters spoke to a total of five people who work with or have worked with Putin at a senior level in the political and business worlds. The fifth source did not comment on freezing the war at the current frontlines.
Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov, in response to a request for comment, said the Kremlin chief had repeatedly made clear Russia was open to dialogue to achieve its goals, saying the country did not want “eternal war.”
Ukraine's foreign and defence ministries did not respond to questions.
The appointment last week of economist Andrei Belousov as Russia's defence minister was seen by some Western military and political analysts as placing the Russian economy on a permanent war footing in order to win a protracted conflict.
It followed sustained battlefield pressure and territorial advances by Russia in recent weeks.
However, the sources said that Putin, re-elected in March for a new six-year term, would rather use Russia's current momentum to put the war behind him. They did not directly comment on the new defence minister.
Based on their knowledge of conversations in the upper ranks of the Kremlin, two of the sources said Putin was of the view that gains in the war so far were enough to sell a victory to the Russian people.
Europe's biggest ground conflict since World War Two has cost tens of thousands of lives on both sides and led to sweeping Western sanctions on Russia's economy.
Three sources said Putin understood any dramatic new advances would require another nationwide mobilisation, which he didn't want, with one source, who knows the Russian president, saying his popularity dipped after the first mobilisation in September 2022.
The national call up spooked part of the population in Russia, triggering hundreds of thousands of draft age men to leave the country. Polls showed Putin’s popularity falling by several points.
Peskov said Russia had no need for mobilisation and was instead recruiting volunteer contractors to the armed forces.
The prospect of a ceasefire, or even peace talks, currently seems remote.
Zelenskiy has repeatedly said peace on Putin's terms is a non-starter. He has vowed to retake lost territory, including Crimea, which Russia annexed in 2014. He signed a decree in 2022 that formally declared any talks with Putin "impossible."
One of the sources predicted no agreement could happen while Zelenskiy was in power, unless Russia bypassed him and struck a deal with Washington. However, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken, speaking in Kyiv last week, told reporters he did not believe Putin was interested in serious negotiations.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-wants-ukraine-ceasefire-current-090432297.html
Posted on 5/24/24 at 10:08 am to loogaroo
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Putin ceasefire proposal shows he never had interest in invading other countries.
Does it? Because his proposal involves Russia keeping Ukrainian territory.
Posted on 5/24/24 at 10:26 am to Indefatigable
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Does it? Because his proposal involves Russia keeping Ukrainian territory.
Exactly
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I imagine it also include diplomatic limits (NATO, likely EU as well) on Ukraine
Posted on 5/24/24 at 10:26 am to loogaroo
Putin is offering this because he knows Ukraine will reject it. It's a publicity stunt.
Posted on 5/24/24 at 10:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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I imagine it also include diplomatic limits (NATO, likely EU as well) on Ukraine
So essentially what he asked for before tens of thousands of people died and a country destroyed.
Posted on 5/24/24 at 10:32 am to BeepBopBoop
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So essentially what he asked for before tens of thousands of people died and a country destroyed.
Ding Ding.....we have a winner. This is exactly what I was going to say.
Posted on 5/24/24 at 10:34 am to loogaroo
The notion that Putin was going to roll into NATO was one of the dumbest (or dishonest, depending on the person uttering it) tripes spat during this conflict.
Posted on 5/24/24 at 10:37 am to loogaroo
Or maybe he realizes that his military can’t accomplish what he fully wants, he did try for Kiev at first let’s not forget that, and bringing things to a conclusion now is beneficial to him and his continuing hold on power.
I don’t buy into his attempting to expand into NATO countries, but he sure as hell wanted the whole of Ukraine either fully reincorporated into Russia or as a puppet state much like Belarus. If they were dumb enough to attack a NATO member Russia would get whipped badly in a conventional war.
I don’t buy into his attempting to expand into NATO countries, but he sure as hell wanted the whole of Ukraine either fully reincorporated into Russia or as a puppet state much like Belarus. If they were dumb enough to attack a NATO member Russia would get whipped badly in a conventional war.
Posted on 5/24/24 at 10:40 am to Indefatigable
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Does it? Because his proposal involves Russia keeping Ukrainian territory.
Territory with Russian populace who were under constant shelling from Azov for nearly 10 years.
Posted on 5/24/24 at 10:46 am to Jack Carter
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quote:Does it? Because his proposal involves Russia keeping Ukrainian territory.
Territory with Russian populace who were under constant shelling from Azov for nearly 10 years.
You're obviously a Putin sycophant and lover of all things America First/MAGA.
Posted on 5/24/24 at 10:59 am to loogaroo
Good thing we just sent $61 billion to Ukraine, and our military stockpiles and strategic reserves are historically low.
Russia was never a threat to do anything but maybe get a chunk of what is a corrupt country with no strategic importance to the U.S. What a huge waste of resources. John Kennedy and Bill Cassidy were idiots for voting for the aid packages. Primary them both.
Russia was never a threat to do anything but maybe get a chunk of what is a corrupt country with no strategic importance to the U.S. What a huge waste of resources. John Kennedy and Bill Cassidy were idiots for voting for the aid packages. Primary them both.
Posted on 5/24/24 at 11:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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Does it? Because his proposal involves Russia keeping Ukrainian territory.
Exactly
I imagine it also include diplomatic limits (NATO, likely EU as well) on Ukraine
So...exactly what Russia always said this was about? You going to pretend otherwise?
This post was edited on 5/24/24 at 11:03 am
Posted on 5/24/24 at 11:07 am to Jack Carter
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Territory with Russian populace who were under constant shelling from Azov for nearly 10 years.
Well they shouldn’t have supported and allowed a bunch of little green men to come into their country, and start a Civil War.
Posted on 5/24/24 at 11:07 am to Indefatigable
quote:*you mean Russian territory
his proposal involves Russia keeping Ukrainian territory
Posted on 5/24/24 at 11:13 am to loogaroo
All I want is peace. And the territory I have already taken.
Posted on 5/24/24 at 11:14 am to loogaroo
Wait. I was told he was going to roll across Europe if we didn't give all of our tax dollars to a dude who plays the piano with his dick.
Posted on 5/24/24 at 11:16 am to Indefatigable
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his proposal involves Russia keeping Ukrainian territory that held referenda to rejoin Russia
Better.
Posted on 5/24/24 at 1:18 pm to Indefatigable
quote:No.
Does it?
quote:Irrelevant. He obviously alway intended keeping portions of the Ukraine borderlands. The precept is he never had designs on "other countries," Poland, the Baltics, etc. He didn't.
Because his proposal involves Russia keeping Ukrainian territory.
But, the proposition he'd now settle for currently occupied territory does not "prove" previous intent.
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