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Posted on 9/7/13 at 4:41 pm to Bookmaker
Only on Sundays. Any other league and you're down.
Posted on 9/7/13 at 4:42 pm to TigerintheNO
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you can't advance an onside kick or a muffed punt
This is a good point. The player that catches the ball downfield after the place kick could not run after obtaining possession. But they would still get the great field position. And it could still be a touchdown, if they caught it in the end-zone.
This post was edited on 9/7/13 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 9/7/13 at 4:42 pm to Bookmaker
I'm pretty sure that if you kneel the ball on a punt, the referee will think you're giving up and call the play dead. I know that's what happens on kick-offs in the end zone. So that's likely what would happen once the holder did it. Even then, they couldn't advance their own kick from where it landed (I would assume).
quick research:
Another practical point: They wouldn't have time to gett he ball and then kick it forward without getting hit. Hell punt return men seem to take big chances to not call fair catch these days. Your example doesn't have anyone slowing down the gunners.
And that doesn't even talk about the ability of the punter to increase height to lengthen the hang time of the ball. Add to the fact that you couldn't really disguise the person behind the punt returner and it's easily foiled by the opposing team.
quick research:
quote:I'm sure this rule would be used to stop this tomfoolery before it started.
Any kick from scrimmage must be made from behind the line to be legal.
Another practical point: They wouldn't have time to gett he ball and then kick it forward without getting hit. Hell punt return men seem to take big chances to not call fair catch these days. Your example doesn't have anyone slowing down the gunners.
And that doesn't even talk about the ability of the punter to increase height to lengthen the hang time of the ball. Add to the fact that you couldn't really disguise the person behind the punt returner and it's easily foiled by the opposing team.
This post was edited on 9/7/13 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 9/7/13 at 4:42 pm to Bookmaker
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A player is only considered down if their knee hits the ground AND they are touched by an opposing player.
In the NFL.
So today it's illegal, tomorrow it's legal?
Posted on 9/7/13 at 4:43 pm to Bookmaker
That's an NFL rule. In NCAA or HS, he puts his knee down, he's down.
Posted on 9/7/13 at 4:44 pm to Bookmaker
You can only kick from behind the LOS. Whatever, you're a dumbass.
Posted on 9/7/13 at 4:44 pm to Bookmaker
Are you fricking serious?
Jesus
Jesus
Posted on 9/7/13 at 4:47 pm to Bookmaker
Seriously
Posted on 9/7/13 at 4:50 pm to bbrownso
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I'm pretty sure that if you kneel the ball on a punt, the referee will think you're giving up and call the play dead.
Another good point. But the obvious way around that would be to placehold without putting your knee on the ground. That definitely wouldn't be a very sturdy position to be in for holding in a real field goal situation, but it would suffice for a crude kick down field.
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Even then, they couldn't advance their own kick from where it landed (I would assume).
Already addressed. They may not be able to advance the ball after catching it down field but they would be able to retain possession at the spot of recovery, as is the case with an onside kick recovered by the kicking team.
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quick research:
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Any kick from scrimmage must be made from behind the line to be legal.
I'm sure this rule would be used to stop this tomfoolery before it started.
Interesting. Do you have a source on that?
This post was edited on 9/7/13 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 9/7/13 at 4:51 pm to Bookmaker
Illegal kick, can only legally kick the ball in or behind the neutral zone
Posted on 9/7/13 at 4:55 pm to bbrownso
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Another practical point: They wouldn't have time to gett he ball and then kick it forward without getting hit. Hell punt return men seem to take big chances to not call fair catch these days. Your example doesn't have anyone slowing down the gunners.
And that doesn't even talk about the ability of the punter to increase height to lengthen the hang time of the ball. Add to the fact that you couldn't really disguise the person behind the punt returner and it's easily foiled by the opposing team.
All good points again. But it could be pulled off in theory if it was a long punt without excessive hangtime. Especially if there was a lot of distance between the snapper and the place-holder.
As far as the punting team being able to read the play in advance... I seriously doubt it. No one has seen anything like this before.
This is the closest thing IRL I've seen to the play I drew up in the OP:
LINK
EDIT: Good point on the gunners also. It would probably be a good idea for your ends to block the gunners. :)
This post was edited on 9/7/13 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 9/7/13 at 4:57 pm to Bookmaker
I would think they would rule the kick as a forward fumble or something
I laughed but this is just stupid
I laughed but this is just stupid
Posted on 9/7/13 at 4:57 pm to davis818
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Illegal kick, can only legally kick the ball in or behind the neutral zone
Would love to see your source on that.
If that was true, why wasn't the second kick in this play ruled illegal? Yea it's the CFL but
This post was edited on 9/7/13 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 9/7/13 at 5:00 pm to Bookmaker
you really just linked CFL?
Posted on 9/7/13 at 5:02 pm to southernelite
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you really just linked CFL?
Hey man, until someone links me to a rulebook saying kicks can only come from behind the LOS, I'll lean on that.
Posted on 9/7/13 at 5:14 pm to Bookmaker
The cfl is very different from American football. However assuming this was legal, doesn't the return team kicking the ball actually be giving it back to the punt team if the ball didn't go through the goalposts?
Posted on 9/7/13 at 6:17 pm to Bookmaker
Posted on 9/7/13 at 6:23 pm to Bookmaker
Dribbling is legal in CFL. In AMERICAN football, you cannot kick a ball past the LOS. Now you could fair catch the punt and have a free kick from the spot of the catch.
Posted on 9/7/13 at 6:24 pm to Bookmaker
The CFL has some odd rules.
ETA: It was like a soccer game broke out.
Secret Playbook
ETA: It was like a soccer game broke out.
Secret Playbook
This post was edited on 9/7/13 at 6:35 pm
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