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Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:42 pm to ryanlsu
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I think lifting the embargo was always going to happen but I just think it is the wrong time and the main reason it is getting done now is politics. Obama and the democrats are pushing hard for latino voters and to paint the republicans into a corner. Plus the whole legacy bit that every president tries about this point in their second term.
I kige this. Can't remember if I said it here or on another board, but once the Castro brothers die the other brownshirts might not be able to hold the regime together. By changing our policy, Ogump can use the post hoc ergo prompter hoc fallacy to take credit for the downfall of the Communist regime.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:45 pm to Bestbank Tiger
It's a triumph for the Obama legacy.
Rand Paul should be commended for following his president.
Rand Paul should be commended for following his president.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 9:27 pm to TOKEN
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Rand Paul should be commended for following his president.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 9:38 pm to Sentrius
Rand is being a good follower.
I think it's great for Obama and the country when Republicans fall in line
I think it's great for Obama and the country when Republicans fall in line
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 12/18/14 at 10:08 pm to RebelExpress38
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Americans were allowed to purchase land and open businesses. Casinos and beach resorts would make a killing.
Cuba may open up far beyond what we know today, but, I would be very shocked if the Government of Cuba allowed any US citizen or interest to own property or commercial enterprises ever again in Cuba.
Investment, perhaps, but ownership? I would be shocked.
Cuba's recollection of the days of yore when US business interests owned entertainment enterprises in Cuba is that those were the bad ole days. I doubt that they will repeat that part of their history.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 10:54 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Wait, everyone keeps telling me that Rand is an isolationist. This can't be right.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:07 pm to ryanlsu
No he told the fricking truth which no politician can ever seem to do no a days.
Will be be huge boom for Gulf Coast.
and frick you ex pat Cubans dinosaurs in Miami, what have you mfers ever done for anyone. Just die already!
Will be be huge boom for Gulf Coast.
and frick you ex pat Cubans dinosaurs in Miami, what have you mfers ever done for anyone. Just die already!
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:30 pm to ryanlsu
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the main reason it is getting done now is politics
Secret talks have been ongoing for the past 18 months, brokered by Canada and the Vatican. This is not politics, it's statesmanship, difficult as that may be for you to swallow.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:45 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
We should have made Cuba a state when we owned the damn island, and the Cuban Missile Crisis and communism there would never happened. frick our lives.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:32 am to Layabout
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This is not politics, it's statesmanship
It isnt statesmanship because he's not a statesman. I cant understand how some people actually believe the shite obama is throwing out there. Canada and the Europeans and the Vatican and the countries of Central America and the countries of South America have been trying to broker a deal for decades. It didnt get done with Democratic or Republican presidents, because they realized it was bad politics and a bad idea.
Also most presidents wouldnt trade three spies (including one responsible for the death of 4 US citizens) for one contractor. And that is another royal frick up by Obama. So now if the USA catches one of your spies or has someone under arrest just grab the nearest American, accuse him of espionage, throw him in jail, and negotiate a trade with the moron Obama.
It is all politics and now with polls showing that the youngest generations of Cuban Americans (who never lived under the Castros) support ending the embargo and other hispanic groups support ending the embargo he acts. I bet in the first five years out of office he will make a statement or have one of his cronies make a statement that he delivered the Hispanic vote to the democratic party for our lifetimes. That is what this is about, his legacy. It sure isnt about statesmanship or the Cuban people.
If it was about the Cuban people or some grand statement then why was it contigent on getting Alan Gross out?
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Several months ago, Secretary of State John Kerry warned Cuba’s foreign minister, Bruno Rodríguez Parrilla, that if Mr. Gross died in captivity, all of the administration’s efforts to reopen relations with Cuba would be for naught.
So a 65 year old man who refuses medical care dies and this whole deal is cancelled? Its because its not about the Cuban people or statesmanship. Its about the hispanic vote and Obama trying to repair his putrid foreign policy record. And its to try and convince the uneducated he is doing something grand. He cant build an embassy or get an ambassador confirmed. Congress may even get pissed and pass more laws strengthening the embargo. Its ALL politics.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 2:36 am to ryanlsu
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It isnt statesmanship because he's not a statesman.
Got it. It can't be statesmanship because it's Obama. Thanks for proving my point.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 7:31 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Good. I would like IA orders to Gitmo, but don't want them if I'm stuck on base all day.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 7:37 am to ryanlsu
Love seeing the right wingers anger on this board. Obama getting shite done and they don't like it.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:41 am to wfeliciana
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Um....She's pushed for this for years.
And she did comment.
I wasn't talking about this specifically, but her pattern of being overly cautious, and afraid to weigh in on hot-button issues when the arise, before she sees which way the wind is blowing and her handlers have crafted a carefully worded statement for her.
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 9:07 am
Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:46 am to TutHillTiger
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Will be be huge boom for Gulf Coast.
The Monroe newspaper (a copy of which I read here in Ruston) mentioned that Louisiana may benefit greatly from rice exports.
Calling Deltaland, would lifting the embargo possibly create an export market for catfish?
Posted on 12/19/14 at 8:52 am to GoCrazyAuburn
Cuba already accounts for 25% of Alabama's exports from their lumber and chicken purchases.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 9:55 am to TutHillTiger
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Will be be huge boom for Gulf Coast.
Agree. It is time. This is generational move because the young Cuban Americans want it. Winds of change is not a bad thing and Republicans need to change with the tide.
I am going to put on my tinfoil hat though and wonder if the Vatican Bank suddenly "finding" new millions was somehow related to their facilitation of this agreement.
From Dec 4th New York Times and then 10+ days later, an announcement? Makes me go HHHHMMMMMM.
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Cardinal George Pell, who took over as the Vatican’s chief financial official in February, said Thursday that his staff had turned up hundreds of millions of euros that the Vatican did not know it had. The funds were “tucked away” in various accounts, he said, and had not been tallied on the Vatican’s main balance sheets. The cardinal presented the found money as a happy surprise. “We have discovered that the situation is much healthier than it seemed,” he wrote in an article for the magazine Catholic Herald, which is scheduled to be published Friday. “It is important to point out that the Vatican is not broke.”
Vatican Finds money
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