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re: Video proves cops shot hostage without warning, lied about circumstances
Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:46 am to tigerstripedjacket
Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:46 am to tigerstripedjacket
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Wasn't issued a warning? How about the idea of not waving a gun around at innocent people?
Boy I fricking hate when assholes act all smart in the comments section and DON'T READ THE frickING ARTICLE.
Jesus.
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Posted on 4/29/16 at 9:54 am to Darth_Vader
You left a few things out
So witnesses, either officers or bystanders gave this information. Do we know which one?
Doesn't matter because
especially after
Wow, so this guy shoots at officers hitting one and is armed with a pistol.
So the hostage actually goes and hides by the bad guys truck, and pulls a handgun pointing it at the building? Could officers have thought this was the same guy that shot at them previously with a handgun and now he is escaping to his truck? Its certainly more reasonable than thinking the hostage is armed and escaping to the suspects vehicle.
So, hostage situation turns to an active shooter situation. Its not surprising that an armed, unidentified person would be shot. Imagine pulling your concealed weapon in the mall with good intentions when a crazed gunman is in there. Think the cops are gonna come in and shoot you if they see you running with a gun? or should they wait for you to engage them? The accounts of this guy failing to follow commands was part of a press release. I don't believe the vide proves, or disproves anything as far as verbal commands.
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initial information about Funk ignoring orders was from witness interviews,
So witnesses, either officers or bystanders gave this information. Do we know which one?
Doesn't matter because
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Wilkinson also told the AP that officers are not required to give warnings.
especially after
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officers tried to enter the building through a back door to rescue the hostages but were driven back by gunfire from Flatoff,
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Neenah police officer Craig Hoffer was shot in the helmet and knocked to the ground during the gunfight.
Wow, so this guy shoots at officers hitting one and is armed with a pistol.
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He pulled a handgun from the small of his back as he took cover by Flatoff's truck and pointed the gun at the door in the direction of Flatoff
So the hostage actually goes and hides by the bad guys truck, and pulls a handgun pointing it at the building? Could officers have thought this was the same guy that shot at them previously with a handgun and now he is escaping to his truck? Its certainly more reasonable than thinking the hostage is armed and escaping to the suspects vehicle.
So, hostage situation turns to an active shooter situation. Its not surprising that an armed, unidentified person would be shot. Imagine pulling your concealed weapon in the mall with good intentions when a crazed gunman is in there. Think the cops are gonna come in and shoot you if they see you running with a gun? or should they wait for you to engage them? The accounts of this guy failing to follow commands was part of a press release. I don't believe the vide proves, or disproves anything as far as verbal commands.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 10:02 am to Darth_Vader
Gun in hand, you gonna get shot dead....cops shouldn't have to say a word, you think the criminal is going to say "hey I'm gonna shoot you right now" before he shoots? No..they protected themselves and others..cops didn't do anything wrong
Posted on 4/29/16 at 10:09 am to Thacian
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Gun in hand, you gonna get shot dead
Many think that cops should turn ever encounter with an armed person into a quick draw contest
Posted on 4/29/16 at 10:16 am to FelicianaTigerfan
Stand there with your gun and wait for criminal to drop his....5 chances you'll be a dead cop and your family is going to.have to function without you because you expected a man with a gun to understand and just cooperate....if you use a gun to use force or make it seem like your gonna use force....not one cop should stand back and wait...shot.that criminal dead before he murders innocents...
Posted on 4/29/16 at 10:19 am to Darth_Vader
Maybe you're good with living in a country where the cops can just shoot you down like a dog, lie about it, and then get off without any consequences. But as for me, I prefer to live in a country where everyone is equally protected under the law and no one is above the the law, especially those who are suppose to uphold those laws.
This should be your campaign speech.
This should be your campaign speech.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 10:28 am to Darth_Vader
Did the hostage come running out of the building with a gun in his hand? If he did then its no surprise that they shot him. They were trading fire with the shooter seconds before that, no way that guy is going to try to escape and not get killed. I would assume the police would've expected the hostage that came running out with a weapon in hand to be the shooter.
If he did not have a gun in his hand and just came running out the building then the cops should be in trouble. Definitely won't be charged with murder but they would deserve negligent homicide.
If he did not have a gun in his hand and just came running out the building then the cops should be in trouble. Definitely won't be charged with murder but they would deserve negligent homicide.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 10:33 am to Darth_Vader
I see a guy come running out of a building holding a gun where a firefight just occurred and a cop was shot. Very bad judgement on the part of the deceased.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 10:39 am to LNCHBOX
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How do you know? Where would he have thought they went? Just ran away?
How was he to know they were there? According to the article he had locked himself inside a room. When the cops got there and tried to enter, shots starting immediately. The cops got out and fell back to either end of the ally. The whole time this is going on, that guy was locked inside the room unable to see what's going on outside. He never even knew the cops were there.
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Do you have a different video than the one posted in the OP? Sure looks like he pulled a gun out before he was shot.
You're either lying, a jackass, or a combination of both. That or you clearly didn't watch the video. Or, as usual, you're just being a smartass troll wanting to argue.
The video clearly shows the instant he comes out the door shots are fired at him. He even falls down. He gets up, runs to the back of the truck and that's when he pulls out a pistol and looks back to the door, assuming it was the gunman from inside firing at him. The first shots at him came the instant he came out the door. You can clearly hear them. And you can also clearly see he does not pull his pistol out until he gets to the back of the truck.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 10:50 am to Darth_Vader
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They shot him the instant he came out the door
Your definition of instant is idiotic.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 10:50 am to TitleistProV1X
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Did the hostage come running out of the building with a gun in his hand? If he did then its no surprise that they shot him. They were trading fire with the shooter seconds before that, no way that guy is going to try to escape and not get killed. I would assume the police would've expected the hostage that came running out with a weapon in hand to be the shooter.
If he did not have a gun in his hand and just came running out the building then the cops should be in trouble. Definitely won't be charged with murder but they would deserve negligent homicide.
3:15: Guy comes out the door, shots immediately are fired at him and he falls
3:20: Guy has got up, moved to the back of the truck and is turning toward the door where he just came out. While doing this he is pulling a pistol out of his pocket or holster. Until this point, he has not had a gun visible.
There was five seconds between him coming out the door, being fired at, and then he turns back to the door and pulls out his gun. He never looks anywhere other than the door. He thinks the gunman is shooting at him. He has no idea the cops are there.
3:24: guy turns from the truck to run away. He is holding the pistol in his hand pointed down. He never waves the pistol nor does he raise it up to point at anyone. He goes about two or three steps and the cops open fire again and kill him.
Approximately 10 seconds went by from the time he came out the door until he fell down for the final time. During that time his attention is strictly on the door. At no time during this 10 second period does any police officer attempt to identify themselves or give him any instructions to get down, stop, or whatever. All they did was start shooting and killed the man. And when it was over, they let him lay there and die instead of getting him medical attention that might have saved his life.
In their report the police claimed the following lies.
1. They claimed he was instructed to get down. That was a lie.
2. They claim he was ordered to drop his gun. That was a lie.
3. They claimed he brandished his gun at them. That was a lie.
4. They claimed they got him immediate medical help. That was a lie.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 10:53 am to GM
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They shot him the instant he came out the door
Your definition of instant is idiotic.
Can you not hear the gunshots going off the second he comes out the door? Go to the 3:13 mark and start from there. This time turn your volume up. There were at least 7 or 8 shots. He does not even get fully out the door before the shots start and then he falls down.
If anyone's definition of instant is idiotic, it's yours.
This post was edited on 4/29/16 at 10:54 am
Posted on 4/29/16 at 10:53 am to Darth_Vader
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he pulls out a pistol and looks back to the door, assuming it was the gunman from inside firing at him
Well since he was actually there, and we watched a video, I would believe his assumptions much more accurate.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 11:01 am to GM
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Well since he was actually there, and we watched a video, I would believe his assumptions much more accurate.
Well, from his actions it looks like he assumes the shots came at him from inside the door. I say that because.
1. He takes cover behind the truck which covers him from the door but completely exposes him to the police.
2. When he gets behind the truck, he is looking back at the building.
These actions indicate this man thought the danger was inside the building. He had no idea there were cops with weapons trained on him at both sides of the ally. Had he known the cops were there, why would he take cover in a position that completely exposes him?
Basically, it boils down to the fact this man was scared out of him mind. All he knew was there was a lot of shots being fired at him. He assumed they came from the gunman, not knowing the cops were there. And the reason he did not know the cops were there is because instead of identifying themselves, they instead just started shooting the moment he came out, even before he pulled out his pistol to confront what he thought was a crazy gunman inside the store trying to kill him.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 11:34 am to Darth_Vader
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3:15: Guy comes out the door, shots immediately are fired at him and he falls 3:20: Guy has got up, moved to the back of the truck and is turning toward the door where he just came out. While doing this he is pulling a pistol out of his pocket or holster. Until this point, he has not had a gun visible. There was five seconds between him coming out the door, being fired at, and then he turns back to the door and pulls out his gun. He never looks anywhere other than the door. He thinks the gunman is shooting at him. He has no idea the cops are there. 3:24: guy turns from the truck to run away. He is holding the pistol in his hand pointed down. He never waves the pistol nor does he raise it up to point at anyone. He goes about two or three steps and the cops open fire again and kill him. Approximately 10 seconds went by from the time he came out the door until he fell down for the final time. During that time his attention is strictly on the door.
Knowing zero about this case and watching the video a couple of times before reading any posts, this is basically exactly how I saw it unfold.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:00 pm to shel311
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Knowing zero about this case and watching the video a couple of times before reading any posts, this is basically exactly how I saw it unfold
Thank you. I guess some in here were watching some other video. That or just being dicks.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:42 pm to Mr.Perfect
quote:On an iPad. Only thing I can see is the dynamic entry stack move in from the left with one guy in trail, and then a few moments later I hear gun shots. That is it.
I see a murder in that video
I can say this. If there are police in the area I am not going to have a gun in my hand. Just saying.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:44 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:There's no way we'll ever know, but the video would suggest that he had no idea there were cops in the area.
I can say this. If there are police in the area I am not going to have a gun in my hand. Just saying.
Posted on 4/29/16 at 12:59 pm to shel311
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but the video would suggest that he had no idea there were cops in the area.
How does the video suggest that?
Posted on 4/29/16 at 1:05 pm to Darth_Vader
Whether he pointed the gun isn't that relevant. The man had gun in hand and ran out of the building. This isn't exactly "hostage" behavior.
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