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re: Aborting children with down syndrome, would you do it?
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:13 pm to mailman
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:13 pm to mailman
Well if you're talking about "children," that is murder. That would mean they are out of the womb.
I can't say I would or wouldnt. Until I'm in those shoes, I wouldn't know.
I can't say I would or wouldnt. Until I'm in those shoes, I wouldn't know.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:13 pm to mailman
I would definitely consider it. I'd rather make a shitty decision like that than have any doubts about having a child
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:14 pm to Theboot32
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probably would, when in the course of a pregnancy would you find out?
I think there can be some problems in the ultrasounds pretty early on that can be a sign but you have to do a specific test that is not done for everyone to verify. So there's a chance you won't find out.
This post was edited on 8/11/16 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:16 pm to slackster
quote:I just went through a pregnancy with my wife.
Usually early to mid second trimester if I'm not mistaken.
12-18 weeks or so.
I could be wayyyyy off though.
You have the option of a blood test from 8-12 weeks that will let you know if you have an elevated risk of having a child with DS. It still cant guarantee, but it can be pretty definitive
Besides that, sometimes markers show on ultrasounds, sometimes they dont.
Then there is an invasive test that will let you know 100%. Problem is, that test can kill the fetus. And you could find out that the fetus you just killed during the test did not have DS.......
We chose not to do the blood test because we said it wouldnt matter either way. So that was our way of saying we want the baby no matter what.
Everything turned out great. Perfectly healthy baby boy.
This post was edited on 8/11/16 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:16 pm to bawbarn
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No, "IT" deserves the right to live a full life.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:17 pm to mailman
Here is the thing though....
Those tests to check for down syndrome of the fetus are not always accurate.
Coworker of mine, her sister had a bunch of testing done when she was pregnant. Testing showed her baby had down's. Doctor asked her if she wanted to abort, she decided not to.
Baby was born......perfectly healthy.
So think about all those perfectly healthy babies that were aborted....because of inaccurate test results.
If I ever become blessed enough to get pregnant...I'm not doing any invasive testing during my pregnancy(such as amniocentesis....which is very painful and carries a big risk of miscarriage) because it will not change what I do. I would not abort a child just because they have down's syndrome.
Those tests to check for down syndrome of the fetus are not always accurate.
Coworker of mine, her sister had a bunch of testing done when she was pregnant. Testing showed her baby had down's. Doctor asked her if she wanted to abort, she decided not to.
Baby was born......perfectly healthy.
So think about all those perfectly healthy babies that were aborted....because of inaccurate test results.
If I ever become blessed enough to get pregnant...I'm not doing any invasive testing during my pregnancy(such as amniocentesis....which is very painful and carries a big risk of miscarriage) because it will not change what I do. I would not abort a child just because they have down's syndrome.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:20 pm to mailman
Absolutely not. First, I personally consider abortion to be murder unless it's to save the life of the mother.
Second, I've been around both kids and adults with Down syndrome enough to see they tend to be some of the most pure hearted and joyful people you could ever meet. I've never met a single one who I think would be happier if they'd never been born.
Second, I've been around both kids and adults with Down syndrome enough to see they tend to be some of the most pure hearted and joyful people you could ever meet. I've never met a single one who I think would be happier if they'd never been born.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:20 pm to lsunurse
There's a newer test that is not invasive for the baby and more accurate. I can't remember the name but it's expensive as hell.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:20 pm to mailman
TBH, a man would never have to make that call, so this should really be a female-only question.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:21 pm to mailman
I wouldn't... but I wouldn't fault anyone for deciding to either.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:21 pm to mailman
I think a lot of people would say they wouldn't abort but the statistics bear out that they would.
If you think about the idea that an adult man or woman with a child's mind will live long after the parents and left to the state institutions, then I can see why that would be an option.
And Down syndrome has a lot of secondary medical issues. I feel like this issue gets a lot of play bc people think ds is all full of corky when there are many more other things.
Just like abortion for non medical issues. People say they are against them...for other people.
If you think about the idea that an adult man or woman with a child's mind will live long after the parents and left to the state institutions, then I can see why that would be an option.
And Down syndrome has a lot of secondary medical issues. I feel like this issue gets a lot of play bc people think ds is all full of corky when there are many more other things.
Just like abortion for non medical issues. People say they are against them...for other people.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:23 pm to lsupride87
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Then there is an invasive test that will let you know 100%. Problem is, that test can kill the fetus. And you could find out that the fetus you just killed during the test did not have DS.......
Ahh, that might be the one to which I was referring. Amniocentesis, and it is usually done at 14-16 weeks.
Actually, there is a test called CVS that can be done earlier but has a substantially higher rate of infant mortality, so I guess it depends which route the parents go.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:23 pm to Darth_Vader
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I personally consider abortion to be murder unless
People shouldn't get to move the goalposts like this. It's murder or it isn't, right?
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:24 pm to OysterPoBoy
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There's a newer test that is not invasive for the baby and more accurate. I can't remember the name but it's expensive as hell.
If it's just blood testing...sure I would do it. Because of my age I'm sure my doctor's would want to monitor me and baby much closely throughout my pregnancy. And insurance would likely cover the costs.
However, it still wouldn't change how I proceed with the pregnancy. My two youngest siblings are mentally-challenged(not down's...but they can never live on their own because of their disabilities). While they don't lead the lives most adults their age lead because of it...they are both very happy, joyful people and I couldn't imagine them being killed in the womb just because they were not deemed "perfect enough".
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:24 pm to mahdragonz
quote:I have a family member with DS. She is the most loving person in the world. However, what you said is true. She has had major heart complications and leukemia, which are both extremely prevalent in DS. She is a joy that I know my Aunt and Uncle love, but I would be lying if I said it didnt completely change and shape their lives. That basically defines them now, as well as her sisters life.
And Down syndrome has a lot of secondary medical issues. I feel like this issue gets a lot of play bc people think ds is all full of corky when there are many more other things.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:24 pm to lsupride87
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Almost everyone in this thread will say no. But statistics shoe that means about 67% in this thread will be lying. Is interesting
I think it's just most of the "yes" posters will not reply
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:25 pm to mailman
I'm sickened over those numbers. There's no way I'd opt for abortion. Idgaf who I offend right here. If you support abortion you should burn in hell.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:25 pm to sorantable
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People shouldn't get to move the goalposts like this. It's murder or it isn't, right?
I think it's more like self defense in the case of the mother being at risk.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 2:26 pm to bayourougebengal
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If you support abortion
I don't know anyone who supports abortion. I know plenty of people who support a woman's right to choose to abort a child, though.
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