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re: Shakeup on the O-line?
Posted on 9/15/16 at 1:23 pm to The Mick
Posted on 9/15/16 at 1:23 pm to The Mick
And that doesn't invalidate my claim that we rotated the starting 5 some until we found a solid lineup. They were a good line that executed the plays well last year after some tweaking and adjustments.
You can't give 100% of the credit to Fournette. Fournette doesn't give himself the full credit for those yards evene.
You can't give 100% of the credit to Fournette. Fournette doesn't give himself the full credit for those yards evene.
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Posted on 9/15/16 at 1:29 pm to south bama tiger
quote:What week was our tweaking completed and our solid lineup procured?
And that doesn't invalidate my claim that we rotated the starting 5 some until we found a solid lineup. They were a good line that executed the plays well last year after some tweaking and adjustments.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 1:35 pm to The Mick
This O-line is not that good. The can't pass block very well because I'm sure Ole Les still spends most of practice on running plays and they will likely look like they did against Wisconsin when they play SEC caliber defenses.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 2:22 pm to TigerFanNKaty
quote:Well I agree 100% but I'm trying to understand where south bama tiger is coming from. I watched a different team last year than what he describes. People take our RB's yardage stats and automatically give the OLine a pass which is silly. We run 90% of the time (exagg) and have the best RB ever to play at LSU (arguably) so of course our rushing stats are good.
This O-line is not that good. The can't pass block very well because I'm sure Ole Les still spends most of practice on running plays and they will likely look like they did against Wisconsin when they play SEC caliber defenses
Posted on 9/15/16 at 2:41 pm to tgerb8
I think having Etling at QB is going to make a difference in how well the Oline performs. Not because they want to play harder for him, but because of his command of the huddle. When Harris plays, it takes him longer to get the play in from the sideline and too often we break the huddle and get to the line with only 2 or 3 seconds on the play clock. I think that confusion affected Pocic's ability to get the blocking assignments called out.
When Etling came in, he was getting the play from the sideline quicker and breaking the huddle with a lot more time on the play clock which resulted in the blocking assignments being called out sooner so the line had time to listen/adjust and make the correct blocks.I may be completely wrong, (maybe it was just a lesser opponent) but I think not being rushed to snap it due to a dwindling play clock helps calm the line and gives them more time to figure out what they are supposed to be doing on each individual play and that showed in the line play vs. Jax St. as it seemed to pass block better than it did vs Wisconsin.
When Etling came in, he was getting the play from the sideline quicker and breaking the huddle with a lot more time on the play clock which resulted in the blocking assignments being called out sooner so the line had time to listen/adjust and make the correct blocks.I may be completely wrong, (maybe it was just a lesser opponent) but I think not being rushed to snap it due to a dwindling play clock helps calm the line and gives them more time to figure out what they are supposed to be doing on each individual play and that showed in the line play vs. Jax St. as it seemed to pass block better than it did vs Wisconsin.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 2:41 pm to The Mick
Well he really has no argument. Last years line was serviceable but hardly dominant and got pushed around for a month. They couldn't pass block either and this years line appears to be worse.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:11 pm to south bama tiger
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RB's ran for close to 2500 yards combined so I'd say it ended up being a solid 5
Run blocking is useless if you are completely incapable of pass protection. That leads to having no passing game, which means teams can stack the box, which leads to having no running game.
Our offensive line cannot succeed until or unless it learns how to protect the QB. No amount of run blocking prowess will be enough without that.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:13 pm to south bama tiger
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They were a good line
No, they were not. Nor will they be until they can protect the QB. Offensive line is easily the weakest area of our team. Worse than QB, worse than special teams. The worst area of the team, period.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:19 pm to south bama tiger
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Against Ole Miss, Bama, and Arkansas, they struggled.
"Struggled" is putting it mildly. They absolutely stunk up the field.
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They were facing injuries at that point and also were pretty much in just pass protection
All offensive lines face injuries. It comes with playing in the offensive line. As for just being in pass protection, Fournette carried 19 times against Alabama for 31 yards. And, if they could do their jobs, maybe we wouldn't have been so far behind in those games. And, finally, pass protection is part of the job of an offensive line. If they absolutely blow at that, then they cannot be considered "good", "solid" or any of the other complimentary words you used for them. This unit is bad. Seriously bad. Like, so bad it might take years to fix.
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You can't ignore their effectiveness for 85% of the season however.
They piled up numbers against crappy teams and flopped every time they faced a good one, with the exception of Florida. They were also very sloppy with penalties, which Clapp's false start that led to the loss of the Wisconsin game demonstrates has not been fixed.
This post was edited on 9/15/16 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:35 pm to The Mick
LSU's O- Line isn't the only one struggling. Bama may have scored points, but their line isn't opening up any holes for the RB's after 2 games. Still not settled on either guard spot. It well could bite them in the SEC schedule if they contain the passing game.
Three players — Lester Cotton, Ross Pierschbacher and Alphonse Taylor — are being considered for the two guard spots.
"But we have not decided who we are starting at those positions yet," Saban said.
The experimentation with the lineup comes after Alabama has struggled to impose its will with its running game. Excluding Damien Harris' two runs totaling 119 yards in the demolition of USC during the season opener, the Crimson Tide is producing only 3.01 yards per rushing attempt this season.
Three players — Lester Cotton, Ross Pierschbacher and Alphonse Taylor — are being considered for the two guard spots.
"But we have not decided who we are starting at those positions yet," Saban said.
The experimentation with the lineup comes after Alabama has struggled to impose its will with its running game. Excluding Damien Harris' two runs totaling 119 yards in the demolition of USC during the season opener, the Crimson Tide is producing only 3.01 yards per rushing attempt this season.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:37 pm to TigerFanNKaty
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Well he really has no argument. Last years line was serviceable but hardly dominant and got pushed around for a month. They couldn't pass block either and this years line appears to be worse.
I never said they were dominant. My OP said they were "solid." And I maintain that. The 2015 offensive line was not the problem. The 2016 line has been a major problem thus far
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:38 pm to bnb9433
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their blocking assignments improved in the JSU game
They still got pushed around by JSU, an FCS school.
That's absurd. This OL will cause us to lose 2-3 more games by themselves.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:40 pm to south bama tiger
quote:What was different last year than this year? They look the same to me if not worse.
My OP said they were "solid." And I maintain that. The 2015 offensive line was not the problem. The 2016 line has been a major problem thus far
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:41 pm to south bama tiger
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The 2015 offensive line was not the problem.
Are you kidding?
While the gameplan was weak, Contrary to popular opinion Bama did not stack the box and was pushing our OL 2 yards back into the backfield every play.
Arkansas stacked the box a little more, but still whooped our asses in 1 on 1 matchups.
The OL last year and this year has been putrid.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:43 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Are you kidding?
While the gameplan was weak, Contrary to popular opinion Bama did not stack the box and was pushing our OL 2 yards back into the backfield every play.
Arkansas stacked the box a little more, but still whooped our asses in 1 on 1 matchups.
The OL last year and this year has been putrid
No I'm not kidding. If I had to rank the issues that hurt our team the most last year, it would first and foremost include Special Teams, our Defense, and then passing offense. Our oline run blocked well and gave Harris a pocket
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:45 pm to south bama tiger
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No I'm not kidding. If I had to rank the issues that hurt our team the most last year, it would first and foremost include Special Teams, our Defense, and then passing offense. Our oline run blocked well and gave Harris a pocket
They all sucked evenly.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:46 pm to south bama tiger
Are you related to any of our O-linemen?
If not, you didn't watch many games last year or your memory sucks. I think you looked at Fournette's yardage achievements and have your mind set that the O-line was solid.
If not, you didn't watch many games last year or your memory sucks. I think you looked at Fournette's yardage achievements and have your mind set that the O-line was solid.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:48 pm to moon
Yeah not looking too good.... 
Posted on 9/15/16 at 4:19 pm to The Mick
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Our O-Line was physically manhandled last year against good teams
This
Posted on 9/15/16 at 4:22 pm to BayouBengals18
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All I know is this should've been figured out before the season started.
and it wasn't. pretty scary because it tells me we don't have the hosses. it's like QB's; if none of them can get er done, you're screwed.
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