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re: In their prime.. I need some answers
Posted on 1/21/17 at 11:48 am to Dale Murphy
Posted on 1/21/17 at 11:48 am to Dale Murphy
Why do people try to tear down Bonds' fielding ability by posting that one goddamn Sid Bream play? The throw was from way out, and was actually reasonably accurate
Posted on 1/21/17 at 12:17 pm to WaltTeevens
was maybe halfway fbetween infield dirt and warning track. not what i'd call "way out".
and it was up the line a bit.
wasn't terrible throw. but plays like that are the difference between "really good" and "great".
there is nothing wrong with being "really good". that's not a put down.
and it was up the line a bit.
wasn't terrible throw. but plays like that are the difference between "really good" and "great".
there is nothing wrong with being "really good". that's not a put down.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 12:45 pm to tigerforever7
Bonds in a landslide
Posted on 1/21/17 at 12:53 pm to tigerforever7
quote:
Barry bonds
He was better than Trout even before he started roiding.....
Posted on 1/21/17 at 12:55 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:
I just want to reiterate that trout is only 25 and has only completed 5 full seasons and it's likely we haven't seen his prime yet
I will agree with this....
Posted on 1/21/17 at 1:00 pm to dukke v
quote:
He was better than Trout even before he started roiding.....
Which player would you take?
146 hr 429 RBI 205 SB 265/367/485 138 OPS+
168 HR 497 RBI 143 SB 306/405/557 170 OPS+
Posted on 1/21/17 at 1:02 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
Which player would you take?
Bonds....
Posted on 1/21/17 at 1:09 pm to Hot Carl
quote:
Hey, have you seen that MLB show counting down the greatest games?
Yeah saw it a couple of years ago. Van Slyke still bitter, lol.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 1:12 pm to dukke v
seriously, which of those players would you rather?
are you too scared to answer
are you too scared to answer
Posted on 1/21/17 at 1:19 pm to Lester Earl
Bonds 1992/1993 seasons were far better than any season Trout has ever had. Yes Bonds seasons before 1992 were not as good as Trout's but the bar is raised now.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 1:28 pm to Lester Earl
like has been said before, we don't know what Trout's prime will be and if this is it or not.
so let's just look at the two through the same points in their careers.
First 5 full seasons (i'm not counting a late season callus that lasted less than a month):
Trout: .310 / .410 / .564 ; 163 HR ; 481 RBI ; 173 OPS+
1 Rookie of the Year, 2 MVPs (never finished lower than 2nd), 5 All Stars, 5 Silver Sluggers
Bonds: .265 / .358 / .479 ; 117 HR ; 337 RBI ; 133 OPS+
1 MVP (no other top 10 finishes), 1 All Star, 1 Gold Glove, 1 Silver Slugger
Trout hands down had the best first 5 seasons of the two.
Hell, Trout's AVERAGE season is about even with Bonds' BEST season
Trout (avg): .310 / .410 / .564 ; 33 dingers ; 96 RBI
Bonds (best): .301 / .406 / .565 ; 33 homers ; 114 RBI
so let's just look at the two through the same points in their careers.
First 5 full seasons (i'm not counting a late season callus that lasted less than a month):
Trout: .310 / .410 / .564 ; 163 HR ; 481 RBI ; 173 OPS+
1 Rookie of the Year, 2 MVPs (never finished lower than 2nd), 5 All Stars, 5 Silver Sluggers
Bonds: .265 / .358 / .479 ; 117 HR ; 337 RBI ; 133 OPS+
1 MVP (no other top 10 finishes), 1 All Star, 1 Gold Glove, 1 Silver Slugger
Trout hands down had the best first 5 seasons of the two.
Hell, Trout's AVERAGE season is about even with Bonds' BEST season
Trout (avg): .310 / .410 / .564 ; 33 dingers ; 96 RBI
Bonds (best): .301 / .406 / .565 ; 33 homers ; 114 RBI
Posted on 1/21/17 at 1:39 pm to Nutriaitch
Pre roids bond is not even comparable to Trout. I swear peej is a dumbass
Posted on 1/21/17 at 1:49 pm to lsupride87
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Pre roids bond is not even comparable to Trout
Well here is ANOTHER sport you know NOTHING about........ Not sure what the 87 in your name means ..BUT if it was when you were born??? You need to DO SOME FRICKING HOMEWORK....
I PRAY you never have kids......
Posted on 1/21/17 at 1:55 pm to dukke v
C'mon, man. Pride may be a insufferable twat when he argues on here, but he's got a relatively new baby and is overall good peeps who gives us inside info about the tennis tour.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 1:56 pm to dukke v
You really want to compare pre roids Barry to Trout? You literally have no clue. I bet you would argue the model T is a better vehicle than the 2016 Ford F-150. You are a bitter old hag
Posted on 1/21/17 at 2:01 pm to Nutriaitch
the numbers i posted are in their first 3558 plate appearances, which is where Trout is at right now.
It's not even really close who was better up to this point. It's Trout very easily.
It's not even really close who was better up to this point. It's Trout very easily.
Posted on 1/21/17 at 2:03 pm to Lester Earl
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It's not even really close who was better up to this point. It's Trout very easily.
And I agree... But in A Different era. AND Trout plays in the AL... Makes A HUGE difference....
Posted on 1/21/17 at 2:09 pm to dukke v
quote:
a. AND Trout plays in the AL... Makes A HUGE difference....
why is this a huge difference?
Posted on 1/21/17 at 2:10 pm to goldennugget
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Bonds 1992/1993 seasons were far better than any season Trout has ever had. Yes Bonds seasons before 1992 were not as good as Trout's but the bar is raised now.
they should be.
age 27 & 28 is when you should really be hitting your peak.
but go look at his comparable hitters by age.
until age 31 his closest comp was not a hall of fame at any age. His list is Justin Upton, Grady Sizemore, Shawn Greene type guys.
Trout so far has comps of almost only hall of famers
Frank Robinson and Mickey Mantle (3 times).
Posted on 1/21/17 at 2:11 pm to dukke v
Pre-roids Barry, 1986-1997, ages 22-34
-.290 BA
-966 OPS
-164 OPS +
-34 hrs/ YR
-101 RBIs/yr
Mike Trout, 5 seasons, ages 20-25
-.306 BA
-963 OPS
-170 OPS+
-33 hr/yr
-96 RBI
-.290 BA
-966 OPS
-164 OPS +
-34 hrs/ YR
-101 RBIs/yr
Mike Trout, 5 seasons, ages 20-25
-.306 BA
-963 OPS
-170 OPS+
-33 hr/yr
-96 RBI
This post was edited on 1/21/17 at 2:13 pm
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