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This is a Tremendous Loss
Posted on 9/17/17 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 9/17/17 at 6:06 pm
Full disclosure - I have been attending LSU football games since the mid-1960's. I drive 925 miles round-rip to almost all home football games. I've supported every LSU coach (football, basketball & baseball). I was a big Les Miles supporter, but even I thought it was time for a change 2 years ago after we were promised one thing and delivered something different.
I was not happy about the Coach O hire and thought we settled on a coach that nobody else was after, but I have tried to be a Coach O supporter. However, I just don't get it. He needs a teleprompter to speak to the media and the fans. He over uses the word "tremendous" when describing every player on the the team. Tremendous means "very great in amount, scale, or intensity." He uses euphemisms to try to incite the fan base ("we will play with energy" "one team one heartbeat").
He cites statistics at his press conference and never speaks off the cuff. He is always on script. It is as if someone gives him a notebook or a binder before he speaks to public. (irony intended)
I am sure he is a very nice guy and I am sure he has several fans that want him to succeed, but last night was a prime example of why i feel that LSU made a mistake in hiring him. We are getting the same "speak" that Les said. Remember, I was a Les Miles fan.
"We are holding back the playbook." [don't you want to practice all of your plays against mediocre teams?]
"We are playing freshman." [Les Miles played more freshman each year than almost every program in the country, except possibly TCU]
"We lost too many starters to the NFL." [sound familiar?]
"We will have a 50/50 run/pass ratio." [i would settle for a 60/40 run/pass ratio - although I know last night we ran 58 plays and 29 were passes - 50/50, but what were our play ratios at halftime?]
"We will spread the ball around in multiple formations." [never seen this other than a lot of pre-snap movement that allows us to run up the middle with different alignments]
"We run more during the games because that it what the defense is giving us." [Miss State was packing the box and we still kept running]
"We don't need to practice our passing games against lesser opponents because we don't want to show future opponents our playbook." [enough said]
I look at the headlines in our local sports page today and see "..throws for 4 TD's", "...hurls 5 scores.", etc. I want us to play like we did against Rice when we won 77-0 in 1977 and never stopped throwing the ball. I want us to be a modern football team while playing with a strong defense. I want to see passes to the tight end, quick slants, audibles (when is the last time we had a QB that could even audible like Tommy Hodson?).
Yes, I am frustrated by last night. I was frustrated by all of my friends dogging Les Miles, even in 2011 when we had one of the most historic seasons in college football, except the last game, but we definitely settled on Coach O. His [our] team played without any energy and ran the same offense that we have seen for the last 5 years with most of the same coaches that Les Miles had already hired (except Canada). We are looking at LSU/Les Miles 1.0 (not 2.0 because that would denote an improvement over the prior version).
I will still drive 925 miles to watch LSU play. I will suffer through the season, but we are not a very good team. I am sad and embarrassed, until I realize it is a game played by 18-22 year olds and coached by people that are drastically overpaid. I have been through the Cholly Mac's, the Mike Archer's, the Curley Hallman's and the Gerry DiNardo's and I will survive.
This too shall pass (not literally, but figuratively), but (and this makes me unhappy to write this) this might be the first LSU coach that even I can't get behind.
I was not happy about the Coach O hire and thought we settled on a coach that nobody else was after, but I have tried to be a Coach O supporter. However, I just don't get it. He needs a teleprompter to speak to the media and the fans. He over uses the word "tremendous" when describing every player on the the team. Tremendous means "very great in amount, scale, or intensity." He uses euphemisms to try to incite the fan base ("we will play with energy" "one team one heartbeat").
He cites statistics at his press conference and never speaks off the cuff. He is always on script. It is as if someone gives him a notebook or a binder before he speaks to public. (irony intended)
I am sure he is a very nice guy and I am sure he has several fans that want him to succeed, but last night was a prime example of why i feel that LSU made a mistake in hiring him. We are getting the same "speak" that Les said. Remember, I was a Les Miles fan.
"We are holding back the playbook." [don't you want to practice all of your plays against mediocre teams?]
"We are playing freshman." [Les Miles played more freshman each year than almost every program in the country, except possibly TCU]
"We lost too many starters to the NFL." [sound familiar?]
"We will have a 50/50 run/pass ratio." [i would settle for a 60/40 run/pass ratio - although I know last night we ran 58 plays and 29 were passes - 50/50, but what were our play ratios at halftime?]
"We will spread the ball around in multiple formations." [never seen this other than a lot of pre-snap movement that allows us to run up the middle with different alignments]
"We run more during the games because that it what the defense is giving us." [Miss State was packing the box and we still kept running]
"We don't need to practice our passing games against lesser opponents because we don't want to show future opponents our playbook." [enough said]
I look at the headlines in our local sports page today and see "..throws for 4 TD's", "...hurls 5 scores.", etc. I want us to play like we did against Rice when we won 77-0 in 1977 and never stopped throwing the ball. I want us to be a modern football team while playing with a strong defense. I want to see passes to the tight end, quick slants, audibles (when is the last time we had a QB that could even audible like Tommy Hodson?).
Yes, I am frustrated by last night. I was frustrated by all of my friends dogging Les Miles, even in 2011 when we had one of the most historic seasons in college football, except the last game, but we definitely settled on Coach O. His [our] team played without any energy and ran the same offense that we have seen for the last 5 years with most of the same coaches that Les Miles had already hired (except Canada). We are looking at LSU/Les Miles 1.0 (not 2.0 because that would denote an improvement over the prior version).
I will still drive 925 miles to watch LSU play. I will suffer through the season, but we are not a very good team. I am sad and embarrassed, until I realize it is a game played by 18-22 year olds and coached by people that are drastically overpaid. I have been through the Cholly Mac's, the Mike Archer's, the Curley Hallman's and the Gerry DiNardo's and I will survive.
This too shall pass (not literally, but figuratively), but (and this makes me unhappy to write this) this might be the first LSU coach that even I can't get behind.
This post was edited on 9/17/17 at 7:37 pm
Posted on 9/17/17 at 6:10 pm to WacoTiger
It's really very simple.....our admin is too fuking dumb to hire a coach with pedigree and results.
What you want is what I want....and every Tiger fan wants. We won't get what we want until that retarded a-hole Alleva is gone...period.
What you want is what I want....and every Tiger fan wants. We won't get what we want until that retarded a-hole Alleva is gone...period.
Posted on 9/17/17 at 6:11 pm to WacoTiger
You are spot on, listen you are preaching to the choir,
I 100% agree.
I 100% agree.
Posted on 9/17/17 at 6:13 pm to WacoTiger
First off I would like to tell you are out of you freakin mind to travel that far more than twice a year to see a football game when it's on tv.
Posted on 9/17/17 at 6:14 pm to WacoTiger
Well written and coherent post. I do think you need to give O time to fix it. He's not good optically but that doesn't mean he's not good at his job.
Posted on 9/17/17 at 6:15 pm to WacoTiger
Good post - much more rational than most over the last 24 hours. I think it's still a little early to say O is totally incompetent, but we (me included, b/c I agree with you) are perfectly right to be very concerned.
I'm also worried that Canada is going to be another highly paid, low producing OC. Seems to be the norm for that position at LSU.
I'm also worried that Canada is going to be another highly paid, low producing OC. Seems to be the norm for that position at LSU.
Posted on 9/17/17 at 6:16 pm to DeafVallyBatnR
So what can we do about it? Everyone write to the board?
Posted on 9/17/17 at 6:16 pm to WacoTiger
quote:
We are playing freshman." [Les Miles played more freshman each year than almost every program in the country, except possibly TCU]
To be fair we are breaking records in that regards this year.
This is due to Miles' offense driving off many of our players and some players not taking school seriously.
Posted on 9/17/17 at 6:32 pm to Catman88
I disagree that we are setting records with freshman minutes. Most people compute this with freshman "snaps" and we aren't in the top 10 in the category. Others compute is with freshman that "letter" and up to 2014, Miles was consistently at the top year over year averaging over 50% of the freshman class lettering their freshman year.
See Which Schools Play the Most Freshman - 2014 Article
See Which Schools Play the Most Freshman - 2014 Article
Posted on 9/17/17 at 6:39 pm to WacoTiger
This is the best post I've ever read on the rant. Well done WacoTiger!
Posted on 9/17/17 at 6:42 pm to WacoTiger
quote:
I have been attending LSU football games since the mid-1960's. I drive 925 miles round-rip to almost all home football games.
Were you at the game in 1993, I think, when Florida beat us 58-3?
I only have to drive 220 miles round trip but I feel you. Recruiting is still "tremendous". We haven't hit rock bottom yet but I know we will still be there if we do.
Forever LSU!
Posted on 9/17/17 at 6:44 pm to WacoTiger
On radio earlier this week they said LSU broke the school record. You have proof to the contrary?
Posted on 9/17/17 at 6:52 pm to Hair of the Dog
Yep, I was there. I was also very embarrassed after that game. Also, I sat in the rain in Tiger Stadium when Miami whipped us 44-3 in 1988. Glad they allowed umbrellas back then.
Posted on 9/17/17 at 6:55 pm to Catman88
What proof did they provide other than saying it on the radio? I cited a 2014 article from ESPN. It depends upon if you count total snaps or a player playing on a kickoff team or punt team for 2 or 3 snap a game. Just google freshman minutes player snaps and you will find a lot of articles. LSU has always used this as a recruiting tool.
Posted on 9/17/17 at 6:58 pm to Catman88
quote:
To be fair we are breaking records in that regards this year.
WTF
Les has had many years of playin 20 or so freshman who many were major contributors.
This year isn't new. We are young but not that young. Its a complete cop out excuse for what happened yesterday. Still we should never be obliterated by MSU that badly. We aren't talentless.
quote:
This is due to Miles' offense driving off many of our players and some players not taking school seriously.
I am also pretty sure O drove off a few players. This isn't all Miles fault as yall continue to pin him for the problems. Especially recruiting, he was the recruiting coordinator the last two years
This post was edited on 9/17/17 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 9/17/17 at 7:00 pm to siliconvalleytiger
quote:
I do think you need to give O time to fix it.
Uh.....it's not as though he is a brand new head coach. He has been the,"head coach" at LSU basically for a whole year and the team has di,-gressed not pro-gressed. Just how long a "chance" are we supposed to give him?
Posted on 9/17/17 at 7:01 pm to WacoTiger
Yes, you are preaching to the choir.
If LSU coaches would just try to do what they say they will do, that would be a helpful start. Miles assured us he would change the offense prior to last season, but clearly did not, so he was justifiably canned.
Matt Canada is supposed to open it up, run from different formations, use the spread, get our great athletes in permission to succeed, pass on any down and throw much more, but after three games, has not done that.
I do realize the offensive line is mediocre at best and they must improve for the offense to move the ball better, but at least Canada can add some more of those hundreds of wide open plays he allegedly knows.
If LSU coaches would just try to do what they say they will do, that would be a helpful start. Miles assured us he would change the offense prior to last season, but clearly did not, so he was justifiably canned.
Matt Canada is supposed to open it up, run from different formations, use the spread, get our great athletes in permission to succeed, pass on any down and throw much more, but after three games, has not done that.
I do realize the offensive line is mediocre at best and they must improve for the offense to move the ball better, but at least Canada can add some more of those hundreds of wide open plays he allegedly knows.
Posted on 9/17/17 at 7:23 pm to WacoTiger
quote:
I drive 925 miles round-rip to almost all home football games.
damn, man...that is impressive!
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