re: Obama's CDC study on Firearms.

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So, we should give up our rights and 500k- 3M people being saved by defensive gun ownership because 16,000 people die of gun violence every year?

Makes a lot of sense...

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It's so progressive!

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This doesn't prevent the study of firearms. The Dickey amendment has never been put to the test by the CDC.

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Per Dickey, it does and it was intended to do so.

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Universal background checks - including private sellers, with removal of shall-issue laws for delays

What good is this going to do? Almost all mass shooters obtained their weapons legally by following the NICS system guidelines, or illegally.

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It's a first step - you can't make it harder for the mentally ill or those convicted of domestic violence to get firearms, then keep existing loopholes like private sales in place. It also closes one of the favorite tricks of gun rights advocates - defund the background check system to the point that it's nonexistent.

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Comprehensive mandatory registration for all new purchases, in a central searchable database

Absolutely not, this is one point we cannot agree on. Everywhere we've seen this happen we've seen a confiscation/ban follow (and you are against this right?). Not to mention that Haynes vs US is already established precedence for registration.

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That's a slippery slope fallacy, and not a great reason to do something that would objectively save lives. If we don't know who has purchased a gun, we can't use things like GVROs or Red Flag laws to get them out if they're becoming a threat - nor can we track the original purchaser of an 'illegal' weapon that may be used in street violence to see if there's a specific pipeline that can be shut down.

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Raise the age for non-hunting rifles to 21, to match handguns

Feel good emotional appeal that does nothing to prevent crime.

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It prevents some crime - e.g. it likely would have prevented MSD last month. That guy didn't have the means to buy weapons on the black market, certainly.

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Minimum 3-day waiting period (maybe longer, not sure if there's a good break point data show as better for cooling-off periods)

There is no statistical evidence that this has any effect at all on violence prevention.

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Seems to be mixed conclusions here - this would be an excellent place to focus some research once the Dickey amendment is repealed

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Passage of Red Flag laws or GVRO's

I would like to see actual proposals on this. Because I could support it if done correctly.

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The most I've heard is copying what's been used (with seemingly great success) in California/Washington. I'm not sure which other states have successful implementation of laws that may bear similar structures.

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Ban on certain types of weapons overwhelmingly used in mass casualty events and little else - e.g. AR-15s

We've already discussed this ad nauseam. There is nothing special about the AR-15 that makes it "More deadly" than any other semi-auto. This is feel-good emotional appeal.

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Fine, I'll take one emotional appeal. There's nothing you can say to convince me that a weapon like this needs to be available to the public - in the same way that we don't need to own tanks, or fully automatic weapons. It's a stupid toy for gun fetishists and it's getting people killed at a rate disproportionate to its effectiveness in other ventures.

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Ban on things like bump stocks used to circumvent existing laws limiting power and rate of fire

Fine, ban bump stocks if it makes you feel safer. just keep in mind that the same affect can be recreated with a belt loop.

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You can get around lots of restrictions, if you're committed enough and have resources. But not everyone has the knowledge, skills, or access to appropriate means. It's about making things harder, not making them impossible.

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Do we have an epidemic of deaths due to high speed chases from cars (red cars?) in this country?

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you use the word "epidemic" as if it means something

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Moreso than other comparable countries?

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who the heck cares about this? absolutely not relevant

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And do we have one political party dead-set against doing anything that may reduce the number of lives lost in said epidemic?

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this is a fallacy called complicated question. an example is "have you stopped beating your wife."

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And in 1964, the AR-15.

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this does not slip past me that you are pulling the forest for the trees tactic again. getting bogged down in semantic crap about the ar-15 geing a "military" weapon. in the meantime, you are still addressing the effect, not the cause. and you camped out for the release of the twilight movies. ghey

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getting bogged down in semantic crap about the ar-15 geing a "military" weapon.

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It's not semantics, it's truthful that said weapon was developed solely for military use, then for some insane reason sold to civilians.

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You're a surprisingly small part of the population (and shrinking daily).

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Interesting

Which ones of the following guns should be banned?

All of them. They all have black parts.

Scary.

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We are the only nation with a pervasive gun culture and in which there are recurring mass shooting and incidence of gun violence

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why do libs act like europe DOESN'T have mass shootings?
why do libs act like the nice truck attack or the japan knife attack didn't happen?
why have libs forgotten why the 2nd amendment was written?
why do libs act like numerous gun attacks have NOT been thwarted by gun owners?
why do libs act like "pervasive gun culture" is by default, wrong?
why do libs act like we don't have a "pervasive car culture?"

i could go on and on

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Per Dickey, it does and it was intended to do so.

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I don't care what Dickey says it was intended to do. The CDC is currently holding the idea that all research into firearms will be viewed as "Gun Control".

I'm saying that is not a logical conclusion as they have not even tried to challenge it.

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It's a first step - you can't make it harder for the mentally ill or those convicted of domestic violence to get firearms, then keep existing loopholes like private sales in place. It also closes one of the favorite tricks of gun rights advocates - defund the background check system to the point that it's nonexistent.

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The problem is that Universal Background Checks and Registration go hand in hand. I'm diametrically opposed to registration. Despite your slippery slope accusations, we have very recent examples of places overstepping their bounds after registration was enacted. (New York and California come to mind).

You are also opening up millions of gun owners to risk of seizure for things such as pot smoking or using your aunts Vicodin unlawfully. No one could argue that these non-violent offenders pose any serious threat.

Most reporting for GVRO's and Red Flag laws is going to come from people closest to the person in question. These people know if they are armed or not registration is not a requirement here.

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It prevents some crime - e.g. it likely would have prevented MSD last month. That guy didn't have the means to buy weapons on the black market, certainly.

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There are a multitude of things that could have prevented MSD. The least of which was a 21 year old age limit.

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There's nothing you can say to convince me that a weapon like this needs to be available to the public - in the same way that we don't need to own tanks, or fully automatic weapons. It's a stupid toy for gun fetishists and it's getting people killed at a rate disproportionate to its effectiveness in other ventures.

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And what we are all telling you is that there is no difference in an AR and any other semi-automatic rifle. 10 round magazines or 30 rounds magazines is not going to effect body count. Adjustable stocks and pistol grips are not going to affect body count. But you've already admitted your emotional stance here so we can move on.