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re: Is It Time For The States To Call For A Constitutional Convention?

Posted on 6/11/19 at 1:18 pm to
Posted by SlackMaster
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
2661 posts
Posted on 6/11/19 at 1:18 pm to
quote:

the 10th Amendment is the one that's been neutered

This, but the 17th has been the most damaging overall. Repeal this and alot of things will fall into place in the decade afterwards.
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
34218 posts
Posted on 6/11/19 at 1:22 pm to
quote:

A Constitutional Convention?


Careful what you wish for. It could easily turn into a Pandoras Box.
Posted by makinskrilla
Lafayette, LA
Member since Jun 2009
9728 posts
Posted on 6/11/19 at 1:23 pm to
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Careful what you wish for. It could easily turn into a Pandoras Box.


We are already in Pandora’s box. This would be an attempt to close the lid.
Posted by CU_Tigers4life
Georgia
Member since Aug 2013
7526 posts
Posted on 6/11/19 at 1:29 pm to
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Careful what you wish for. It could easily turn into a Pandoras Box.


We are already in Pandora’s box. This would be an attempt to close the lid.


This my feelings. Right now we (The US) are that frog in the pot of the water where the temperature is gradually being turned up and we are adapting to the rise in temperature until one day were are cooked.

Posted by Themole
Palatka Florida
Member since Feb 2013
5557 posts
Posted on 6/11/19 at 1:30 pm to
A Constitutional Convention is not a blanket call to amend anything and everything. The proposal must be specific.

Can not be controlled, nor guaranteed. Don't frick with it.

Posted by SantaFe
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
6607 posts
Posted on 6/11/19 at 1:36 pm to
Been advocating this for 3 years. It has to be limited. Term limits on Congress critters.1 term for senator ,2 for congresspersons. Cut pay by half, no benefits, no retirement. Limit Congress to meet for only 2 months out of the year unless national emergency. Serving 30 to 40 years in Congress is beyond ridiculous.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20923 posts
Posted on 6/11/19 at 1:38 pm to
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not by someone's fricking feels


But what if you feel differently?
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
42841 posts
Posted on 6/11/19 at 1:38 pm to
No, it’s time for lawmakers to do their jobs and people to understand that a massive federal government is not good.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
57343 posts
Posted on 6/11/19 at 1:38 pm to
quote:

abolishing the anchor baby loophole


This could be done with legislation or executive action, but would be challenged in court.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112605 posts
Posted on 6/11/19 at 1:38 pm to
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With the threat of Socialism


A Constitutional Convention will hasten our fall into socialism. It's a socialist's dream. Every special interest in the country (and there are now 1,000s of them) will have their proponents.
"Mr. Chairman, the Cat Lovers of America demand that homeless cats be provided food, shelter and health care by law. They are crying out for a bit of sympathy, some pity, some attention to their terrible plight. If you turn your back on these wonderful loving animals and vote against this Article to our new Constitution you are a worthless, sadistic, hateful, disgusting, vile person who doesn't deserve the air you breathe. We now call for a vote."

Posted by obadiah
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2005
133 posts
Posted on 6/11/19 at 1:40 pm to
I think this is the only way we are going to get term limits. There is no way we are ever going to get enough votes in Congress or Senate to pass it.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
42841 posts
Posted on 6/11/19 at 1:41 pm to
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Does freedom from church in state mean the absence?

Are you referring to the separation of church AND state? If so, that language is not even in the Constitution.
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
15780 posts
Posted on 6/11/19 at 1:54 pm to
Congressional term limits.

Repeal the 17th and give real federal representation back to state legislatures.

Balanced budget amendment.
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
37734 posts
Posted on 6/11/19 at 2:03 pm to
What should be changed/reworded?

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Preamble to the Bill of Rights
*Congress of the United States
begun and held at the City of New-York, on Wednesday the fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.

THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution. RESOLVED by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following Articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as amendments to the Constitution of the United States, all, or any of which Articles, when ratified by three fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of the said Constitution; viz. ARTICLES in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the Legislatures of the several States, pursuant to the fifth Article of the original Constitution.
Frederick Augustus Muhlenberg Speaker of the House of Representatives John Adams, Vice-President of the United States and President of the Senate.

Attest, John Beckley, Clerk of the House of Representatives. Sam. A. Otis Secretary of the Senate. *On September 25, 1789, Congress transmitted to the state legislatures twelve proposed amendments, two of which, having to do with Congressional representation and Congressional pay, were not adopted. The remaining ten amendments became the Bill of Rights.
Amendment 1
- Freedom of Religion, Speech, and the Press

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment 2
- The Right to Bear Arms

A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

Amendment 3
- The Housing of Soldiers

No soldier shall, in time of peace, be quartered in any house without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment 4
- Protection from Unreasonable Searches and Seizures

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment 5
- Protection of Rights to Life, Liberty, and Property

No person shall be held to answer for a capital or otherwise infamous crime unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation.

Amendment 6
- Rights of Accused Persons in Criminal Cases

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor; and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment 7
- Rights in Civil Cases

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment 8
- Excessive Bail, Fines, and Punishments Forbidden

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment 9
- Other Rights Kept by the People

The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment 10
- Undelegated Powers Kept by the States and the People

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
37734 posts
Posted on 6/11/19 at 2:07 pm to
Amendment 11 - Authority of Federal Courts Restricted
(Ratified February 7, 1795)

The judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend to any suit, in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the United States by citizens of another state, or by citizens or subjects of any foreign state.

Amendment 12 - Election of the President and Vice President
(Ratified June 15, 1804)

The electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President and of all persons voted for as Vice President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the president of the Senate. The president of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates, and the votes shall then be counted. The person having the greatest number of votes for President shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers, not exceeding three, on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. [And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.]amd

The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice President shall be the Vice President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed; and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice President of the United States.

Amendment 13 - Slavery Outlawed
(Ratified December 6, 1865)

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Amendment 14 - Rights of Citizenship
(Ratified July 9, 1868)

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law, nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, [excluding Indians not taxed]amd. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged except for participation in rebellion or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each house, remove such disability.

The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations, and claims shall be held illegal and void.

The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

Amendment 15 - Voting Rights for All Races
(Ratified February 3, 1870)

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of race,color, or previous condition of servitude.

The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Amendment 16 - Federal Income Taxes
(Ratified February 3, 1913)

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states and without regard to any census or enumeration.
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
37734 posts
Posted on 6/11/19 at 2:08 pm to
Amendment 17 - Election of Senators by Popular Vote
(Ratified April 8, 1913)

The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each state, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each state shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the state legislatures.

When vacancies happen in the representation of any state in the Senate, the executive authority of such state shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies, provided that the legislature of any state may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct.

This amendment shall not be so construed as to affect the election or term of any Senator chosen before it becomes valid as part of the Constitution.

Amendment 18 - Liquor Outlawed
(Ratified January 16, 1919)

[After one year from the ratification of this article, the manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors within, the importation thereof into, or the exportation thereof from the United States and all territory subject to the jurisdiction thereof for beverage purposes is hereby prohibited.

The Congress and the several states shall have concurrent power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of the several states, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the states by the Congress.]amd

Amendment 19 - Voting Rights for Men and Women
(Ratified August 18, 1920)

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Amendment 20 - Terms of the President and Congress; Replacing the President
(Ratified January 23, 1933)

The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the twentieth day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the third day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin.

The Congress shall assemble at least once in every year, and such meeting shall begin at noon on the third day of January, unless they shall by law appoint a different day.

If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President-elect shall have died, the Vice President-elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President-elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President-elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President-elect nor a Vice President-elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.

The Congress may by law provide for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the House of Representatives may choose a President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them, and for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the Senate may choose a Vice President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them.

Sections 1 and 2 shall take effect on the fifteenth day of October following the ratification of this article.

This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three- fourths of the several states within seven years from the date of its submission.

Amendment 21 - Control of Liquor Returned to the States
(Ratified December 5, 1933)

The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.

The transportation or importation into any state, territory, or possession of the United States for delivery or use therein of intoxicating liquors, in violation of the laws thereof, is hereby prohibited.

This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by conventions in the several states, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the states by the Congress.
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
37734 posts
Posted on 6/11/19 at 2:09 pm to
Amendment 22 - Presidents Limited to Two Terms
(Ratified February 27, 1951)

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three- fourths of the several states within seven years from the date of its submission to the states by the Congress.

Amendment 23 - Presidential Electors for the District of Columbia
(Ratified March 29, 1961)

The district constituting the seat of government of the United States shall appoint, in such manner as the Congress may direct, a number of electors of President and Vice President equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives in Congress to which the district would be entitled if it were a state, but in no event more than the least populous state; they shall be in addition to those appointed by the states, but they shall be considered, for the purposes of the election of President and Vice President, to be electors appointed by a state; and they shall meet in the district and perform such duties as provided by the twelfth article of amendment.

The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Amendment 24 - Voting Rights Protected from Taxes
(Ratified January 23, 1964)

The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Amendment 25 - Replacing the President and Vice President
(Ratified February 10, 1967)

In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.

Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President, who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both houses of Congress.

Whenever the President transmits to the president pro tempore of the Senate and the speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as acting President.

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments, or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the president pro tempore of the Senate and the speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as acting President. Thereafter, when the President transmits to the president pro tempore of the Senate and the speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department, or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the president pro tempore of the Senate and the speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

Amendment 26 - Voting Rights for All Citizens Eighteen or Older
(Ratified July 1, 1971)

The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of age.

The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Amendment 27 - Changes in Salaries of Senators and Representatives
(Ratified May 7, 1992)

No law varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives shall take effect until an election of Representatives shall have intervened.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
60572 posts
Posted on 6/11/19 at 2:13 pm to
Congressional term limits - Career Politician at federal level should NEVER be an option.

Reaffirm 10A for all powers/issues not specifically enumerated to fed. government by Constitution.

Clarify 14A to end anchor baby loophole.

Repeal 16A, abolish IRS and implement National Retail Sales tax (HR 25).

Repeal 17A and return appointment of Senators to state legislatures.
Posted by NASA_ISS_Tiger
Huntsville, Al via Sulphur, LA
Member since Sep 2005
7985 posts
Posted on 6/11/19 at 2:22 pm to
I'd be more concerned with a Constitutional Convention going more liberal than making it more like what the Framers wanted it to be like.

Posted by Themole
Palatka Florida
Member since Feb 2013
5557 posts
Posted on 6/11/19 at 2:54 pm to
Are you referring to the separation of church AND state? If so, that language is not even in the Constitution.

Nor is "freedom from religion" as he alluded to.
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