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Does black drum taste any good?
Posted on 1/20/14 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 1/20/14 at 4:55 pm
I don't go fishing in south louisiana that much, but the few times I've been, we've caught a good bit of black drum and just tossed them back since the guy that took us said they were no good. However, my older brother said they were good to eat. So now I'm confused.
We're going again this next weekend and was wondering if I should keep the drum if we get any.
TIA
We're going again this next weekend and was wondering if I should keep the drum if we get any.
TIA
Posted on 1/20/14 at 4:57 pm to we_geaux_harder
Puppy drum - in the 16-22" range are excellent. Even better in S. Mississippi they are not considered game fish - no limits on size or creel.
I like better than redfish.
I like better than redfish.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 4:58 pm to JPBiscuit
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Puppy drum - in the 16-22" range are excellent
Posted on 1/20/14 at 4:58 pm to JPBiscuit
Awesome. So if they're any bigger they're not as good im guessing?
How do you cook em if you don't mind me asking.
How do you cook em if you don't mind me asking.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 4:59 pm to we_geaux_harder
Yes, the small ones are excellent.
They get pretty nasty and full of parasites once they get big though.
They get pretty nasty and full of parasites once they get big though.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 5:02 pm to Who Me
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Yes, the small ones are excellent.
They get pretty nasty and full of parasites once they get big though.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 5:03 pm to we_geaux_harder
I cooked drum last night. It was great.
Anything you can do with redfish. Or trout, for that matter.
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How do you cook em if you don't mind me asking.
Anything you can do with redfish. Or trout, for that matter.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 5:05 pm to we_geaux_harder
Saute, fry, grill - anything you'd do with trout or redfish.
Peche does a very good baked version. So whatever you fancy. Some people don't fry because they think it'll dry out, but I don't buy that either.
And yes, as someone else said, the big boys get worms and are not nearly as good eating.
Peche does a very good baked version. So whatever you fancy. Some people don't fry because they think it'll dry out, but I don't buy that either.
And yes, as someone else said, the big boys get worms and are not nearly as good eating.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 5:07 pm to JPBiscuit
Thanks for the quick responses. I'll keep the small ones then!
Posted on 1/20/14 at 5:08 pm to JPBiscuit
Redfish, blackfish... don't matter to me. Give me one about 18" and I call it dinner.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 5:10 pm to we_geaux_harder
Chefs in New Irleans think so. The smaller ones are good, the bigger they get, the parasites become a problem
Posted on 1/20/14 at 5:19 pm to JPBiscuit
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Puppy drum - in the 16-22" range are excellent
I would extend the size to 25 or even 27". Any bigger than that and you may get parasites like the others have said.
Black drum tastes really similar to redfish and their fillets look just like redfish also. They are both part of the drum family so that is why they are so similar.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 5:20 pm to TIGERFANZZ
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The smaller ones are good, the bigger they get, the parasites become a problem
We talking about fish, right?
Posted on 1/20/14 at 5:22 pm to OldHickory
Yes, when you fillet the big ones they are full of worms
Posted on 1/20/14 at 5:22 pm to OldHickory
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The smaller ones are good, the bigger they get, the parasites become a problem
We talking about fish, right?
Copy and paste job from the net on parasites in drum. They are not harmful but they don't look appetizing.
SPAGHETTI WORMS IN FISH
Spaghetti worms are common parasites of saltwater fish in the drum family, which include speckled and white trout, black drum, redfish, and croakers. While they look alike to most fishermen, several different worms use these fish as hosts. Most common in sea trout is Poecilancistrium caryophyllum. Worms found in black drum are most often Pseudogrillotia pIeistacantha. For ease of discussion, we will dispose of these tongue-twisting Latin names and refer to them all as spaghetti worms.
Fishermen frequently find these white, one to three inch long worms when filleting their catch. In trout they are usually found in the middle of the fillet in the area just below the dorsal fin. Research has shown that approximately 40% of Louisiana and Mississippi speckled trout are host to spaghetti worms, with an average of between one and two worms occurring per fish. It may appear that many more worms exist, but often one worm is cut into several pieces during filleting. Spaghetti worms in black drum are more common near the tail of the fish with a typical fish hosting 5 to 15 specimens.
The spaghetti worms we see in these fish are really parasitic tapeworms of sharks, who are just using the trout or drum as an intermediate host. The cycle begins with eggs produced by an eight-inch long adult worm which lives in a shark's intestine. After being passed into seawater, the egg hatches into a tiny swimming larva called a coracidium. If this larva is eaten within two days by a small marine crustacean like a copepod, it develops into another stage called a procercoid.
At this stage some uncertainty exists as to what happens. The copepod may be eaten by a trout, passing the larval worm on the trout. However, since small animals like copepods are seldom eaten by larger trout and since very few trout under ten inches long have spaghetti worms, another host is suspected. More than likely, a small bait fish like an anchovy eats the copepod and it in turn is eaten by the larger trout. In any case, once the larval worm is in the trout's digestive tract, it tunnels its way into the trout's flesh where it may live for several years. The life cycle is completed when a shark eats the trout and serves as host for the adult worm.
The fact that a spaghetti worm may live several years (up to 6 or 7) may surprise many fishermen, since they often claim that more fish are infected in one season than another. This may possibly be due to different populations of trout with different infection rates, moving up and down in a marsh system seasonally.
The number of trout carrying worms seems to be directly related to the characteristics and quality of the water in which the trout live. In general, the saltier the water and the less polluted it is, the higher the levels of infection are. This may be due to either one of the intermediate host's or the larval worm's needs for saline, unpolluted waters.
Another interesting fact is that once a trout becomes host to one or several spaghetti worms, it seems to develop an immunity to further infections. If this were not the case, large, old fish would have many more worms than a 12- or 14-inch fish, but they don't.
Finally, while the spaghetti worm may be somewhat unappealing to the eye, it certainly doesn't prevent good eating. Since, they are large enough to easily see, they are simple to remove during the filleting process. Simply grab the worm between the knife blade and thumb and gently pull it out. With a little practice, it becomes easy.
Many people don't even bother to remove them before cooking. After cooking, they are unnoticeable and cannot be tasted. In a survey conducted at Mississippi fishing rodeos a few years ago, less than 25% of the trout fishermen avoided eating fish with worms.
While cooking does, of course, kill the worm, even without cooking they are not a human health problem. No human infections have been recorded and researchers have been unable to infect warm-blooded animals with the parasite.
So good fishing and "bon appetit.”
This post was edited on 1/20/14 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 1/20/14 at 5:35 pm to we_geaux_harder
As stated previously above, excellent eating. They do get "wormy" at 25 inches plus, but so do big specks. I tend to throw them back at the 30 inch or larger range not because of the worms, but because I usually end up having to use a damn hacksaw to get through that stiff bone in filleting.
In fact, though, there was a stink around LA a year or so ago when it was revealed that some restaurants were serving black drum but advertising as redfish. I know this for quite some time, but I say who gives a shite. While a redfish is a beautiful, gold and at times tealish mixed in color, and a black drum is plain ugly, black drum is a very pretty white meat, while redfish is bloodier.
In other words, deep fry or marinate with lemon, red pepper and salt and cook on grill. ENJOY!
In fact, though, there was a stink around LA a year or so ago when it was revealed that some restaurants were serving black drum but advertising as redfish. I know this for quite some time, but I say who gives a shite. While a redfish is a beautiful, gold and at times tealish mixed in color, and a black drum is plain ugly, black drum is a very pretty white meat, while redfish is bloodier.
In other words, deep fry or marinate with lemon, red pepper and salt and cook on grill. ENJOY!
Posted on 1/20/14 at 5:52 pm to we_geaux_harder
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just tossed them back since the guy that took us said they were no good.
Someone needs to have a lonnnnng talk with that guy Uncle Jed style.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 5:54 pm to AlwysATgr
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Someone needs to have a lonnnnng talk with that guy Uncle Jed style.
Lol, and the thing is, most were in the size range y'all are talking about.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 6:13 pm to we_geaux_harder
Yes they are good to eat, the guide you had was a moron at best. When they get really big you need to look for and extract worms in the flesh. It doesn't take a lot of effort to do so, and a pair of hemostats or small sized needle(small in the size of the pincer portion of them) nose pliers can be used to do it.
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