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Grouper = Sea Bass???
Posted on 4/15/09 at 10:18 pm
Posted on 4/15/09 at 10:18 pm
Grouper is one of my favorite fish. I was watching a show the other night and they were cooking sea bass and I was wondering if that is another name for grouper? Kind of like in S. La we have sac-a-lait and in N. La it is white perch.
Does anyone know of the different names grouper goes by in other parts of the country so I will know when I am in a resturant if it is grouper just by another name.
Does anyone know of the different names grouper goes by in other parts of the country so I will know when I am in a resturant if it is grouper just by another name.
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Posted on 4/15/09 at 10:20 pm to lovelsu
If you are referring to Chilean Sea Bass...its real name is Patagonian Toothfish.
Grouper is generally referred to as grouper every where I've been.
Also, according to google...there are two types of actual sea bass in the states-black sea bass(east coast), and white sea bass(west coast).
Grouper is generally referred to as grouper every where I've been.
Also, according to google...there are two types of actual sea bass in the states-black sea bass(east coast), and white sea bass(west coast).
This post was edited on 4/15/09 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 4/15/09 at 10:26 pm to offshoreangler
I was told once that it went by another name and I thought it was sea bass. Here is what I found in wikipedia that confused me more:
Groupers are fish of any of a number of genera in the subfamily Epinephelinae of the family Serranidae, in the order Perciformes.
Not all serranids are called groupers; the family also includes the sea basses. The common name grouper is usually given to fish in one of two large genera: Epinephelus and Mycteroperca. In addition, the species classified in the small genera Anyperidon, Cromileptes, Dermatolepis, Gracila, Saloptia and Triso are also called groupers. Fish classified in the genus Plectropomus are referred to as coral groupers. These genera are all classified in the subfamily Epiphelinae. However, some of the hamlets (genus Alphestes), the hinds (genus Cephalopholis), the lyretails (genus Variola) and some other small genera (Gonioplectrus, Niphon, Paranthias) are also in this subfamily, and occasional species in other serranid genera have common names involving the word "grouper". Nonetheless, the word "groupers" on its own is usually taken as meaning the subfamily Epinephelinae.
The only place I have ever seen grouper on menus is in Florida. Are they primarily in the Gulf? I go to Cali every month and have never seen them on any menu.
Groupers are fish of any of a number of genera in the subfamily Epinephelinae of the family Serranidae, in the order Perciformes.
Not all serranids are called groupers; the family also includes the sea basses. The common name grouper is usually given to fish in one of two large genera: Epinephelus and Mycteroperca. In addition, the species classified in the small genera Anyperidon, Cromileptes, Dermatolepis, Gracila, Saloptia and Triso are also called groupers. Fish classified in the genus Plectropomus are referred to as coral groupers. These genera are all classified in the subfamily Epiphelinae. However, some of the hamlets (genus Alphestes), the hinds (genus Cephalopholis), the lyretails (genus Variola) and some other small genera (Gonioplectrus, Niphon, Paranthias) are also in this subfamily, and occasional species in other serranid genera have common names involving the word "grouper". Nonetheless, the word "groupers" on its own is usually taken as meaning the subfamily Epinephelinae.
The only place I have ever seen grouper on menus is in Florida. Are they primarily in the Gulf? I go to Cali every month and have never seen them on any menu.
Posted on 4/15/09 at 10:34 pm to lovelsu
Two different fish although the meat is very similar.
Grouper
Black Sea Bass
Props to Tabor and his big Warsaw making the 1st page when you google grouper.
Grouper
Black Sea Bass
Props to Tabor and his big Warsaw making the 1st page when you google grouper.Posted on 4/15/09 at 10:39 pm to lovelsu
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Are they primarily in the Gulf?
A good number of them are caught in these waters-gag, warsaw, red, black and that big fat fricker the jewfish down in the Keys.
This post was edited on 4/16/09 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 4/15/09 at 10:45 pm to offshoreangler
Thanks for the info. So it is only grouper if it says grouper. No other name!
Posted on 4/15/09 at 10:52 pm to offshoreangler
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If you are referring to Chilean Sea Bass...its real name is Patagonian Toothfish.
yep. and the very abundant fish's name was changed for marketing purposes in order for it be more appealing to diners. It's clearly worked, any maybe too well.
Posted on 4/15/09 at 11:44 pm to el tigre
i always thought the term sea bass is like bill fish. a bill fish can be any fish with a bill, swordfish, sailfish, marlin. And a grouper was a type of sea bass. but im no marine biologist
Posted on 4/15/09 at 11:54 pm to lovelsu
quote:
Not all serranids are called groupers; the family also includes the sea basses. The common name grouper is usually given to fish in one of two large genera: Epinephelus and Mycteroperca. In addition, the species classified in the small genera Anyperidon, Cromileptes, Dermatolepis, Gracila, Saloptia and Triso are also called groupers. Fish classified in the genus Plectropomus are referred to as coral groupers. These genera are all classified in the subfamily Epiphelinae. However, some of the hamlets (genus Alphestes), the hinds (genus Cephalopholis), the lyretails (genus Variola) and some other small genera (Gonioplectrus, Niphon, Paranthias) are also in this subfamily, and occasional species in other serranid genera have common names involving the word "grouper". Nonetheless, the word "groupers" on its own is usually taken as meaning the subfamily Epinephelinae.
I thought this was common knowledge.
Posted on 4/16/09 at 8:50 am to Dallas Tiger
A lot of times people will take generic whitefish and call it grouper. There was an article a few years back where they found that 8/10 restaurants in the orange beach area that served "grouper" was not grouper at all.
LINK
LINK
Posted on 4/16/09 at 9:41 am to puffulufogous
I thought I read somewhere within the past couple of years that Florida was cracking down on calling things grouper that weren't, similiar to when Louisiana made resturants quit calling sheepshead "Bay Snapper" since it isn't a snapper.
A fresh grouper might be my favorite fish of all to eat. Too bad I hardly ever catch any.
If someone told me a source to find fresh grouper in Baton Rouge, I would lift my personal ban on purchasing fish.
A fresh grouper might be my favorite fish of all to eat. Too bad I hardly ever catch any.
If someone told me a source to find fresh grouper in Baton Rouge, I would lift my personal ban on purchasing fish.Posted on 4/16/09 at 10:28 am to Commando
I have also heard the Striped Bass refered to as a Sea Bass. We call them Rock Fish in Maryland. Seems to be a generic name for tasty fish.
Posted on 4/16/09 at 10:41 am to Commando
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If someone told me a source to find fresh grouper in Baton Rouge, I would lift my personal ban on purchasing fish.
Seen it at Whole Foods in N.O. You might check the one in BR.
Posted on 4/16/09 at 1:39 pm to offshoreangler
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jewfish
The PC movement caught up to this fish several years ago-now known as Goliath Grouper.
Posted on 4/16/09 at 1:58 pm to puffulufogous
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There was an article a few years back where they found that 8/10 restaurants in the orange beach area that served "grouper" was not grouper at all.
doesn't shock me. Seems that a lot of Destin area crowd wouldn't know the difference anyway.
Same trick is often pulled with scallops....it's sometimes meat punched in a scallop shape from skate wings.
Posted on 4/16/09 at 1:59 pm to Commando
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The PC movement caught up to this fish several years ago-now known as Goliath Grouper.
frick this nonsense.
I'll keep calling it a jewfish.
This post was edited on 4/16/09 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 4/16/09 at 3:08 pm to Greenspan
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Props to Tabor and his big Warsaw making the 1st page when you google grouper.
JJ sure does catch'em big
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