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Roux...how dark is yours?

Posted on 3/10/08 at 8:28 pm
Posted by BayouBlitz
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Posted on 3/10/08 at 8:28 pm
From the gumbo topic, thought I'd start one strictly for colors of, and opinions about the colors of roux.

I know a lot of people subscribe to "darker is better" but I disagree. I have made countless pots of gumbo, and tried everything from tan to almost black.

There comes a point where the roux gets dark brown, and I start to catch the odor of "burning." And I'm talking low heat with constant stirring, so it's not like it went from good to burned in half a second.

One time when I did this, I had no time to restart a roux, so I kept on with the gumbo. It took all kinds of salt and seasoning to cover up the "burned" smell and made it the worst gumbo I've ever made.

Think about it, roux is simply oil (or whatever source of fat you use) and flour. Flour has very little taste, when cooked, as does oil. The roux's job is not to add flavor, but to act as a thickening agent, so you don't end up with soup. The flavor comes from your vegetables, seasonings, and proteins.

In my opinion, when your roux gets very dark, almost black, you're adding a "burnt" taste as that's about the only real taste that can come from flour and oil. (At least compared to the other ingredients involved with gumbo.) Maybe you like that. If so, more power to you. I don't.

You want to jazz up that roux, use bacon grease. Now your adding flavor.
This post was edited on 3/10/08 at 8:28 pm
Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 3/10/08 at 8:34 pm to
Based on this chart, I'd say the first square on the second row is how dark I make my roux. I've never tried a true blonde roux. I'm curious to hear from those who have.

Posted by Btrtigerfan
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Posted on 3/10/08 at 8:36 pm to
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you're adding a "burnt" taste as that's about the only real taste that can come from flour and oil.


Where you from? Who's you momma? You can't be catlick.
Posted by Btrtigerfan
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Posted on 3/10/08 at 8:38 pm to
I just saw your visual aid. Yep, that's a good roux color. I thought you were talking about making paste at first.
Posted by chud
Vienna, Va
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 3/10/08 at 8:39 pm to
the color of the roux depends on the dish, but for a chicken and sausage gumbo (for the sake of arguement we'll go with darkest roux dish) i go the color of dark chocolate. okra or file are thickeners. the roux does add flavor. it adds a nutty flavor. the reason there's a cookbook called "first you make a roux" isn't because there was a shortage of arrowroot in south louisiana.

not trying to be a smartass, but the point of using different color rouxs is to add different degrees of flavor to the appropriate dish.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
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Posted on 3/10/08 at 8:39 pm to
For a chicken and sausage gumbo, I try to get the first square, bottom row.
Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 3/10/08 at 8:45 pm to
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Where you from? Who's you momma? You can't be catlick.


Born and raised in the Crescent. Am I "catlick"? Well, that's a whole different topic altogether. I was baptised catlick...

See, what you may consider "nutty" I consider "burned."

Okra is a thickening agent, but certianly roux is as well.
Posted by Btrtigerfan
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Posted on 3/10/08 at 8:48 pm to
quote:

You want to jazz up that roux, use bacon grease. Now your adding flavor.


Good point about the oil. I have never tried bacon grease(I will.) Shortening is much better than veg oil or the nut oils for roux.
Posted by Wino70
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/10/08 at 8:49 pm to
1st row 3rd square for chicken, duck @ andouille

2nd row 1st square for seafood gumbo
Posted by LSUPhreaK
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Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 3/10/08 at 8:53 pm to
Gumbo, bottom left.
Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
18126 posts
Posted on 3/10/08 at 8:58 pm to
quote:

I have never tried bacon grease(I will.)


Green onions and garlic hitting warmed up bacon grease is about the best smell you'll ever get from your kitchen.
Posted by chud
Vienna, Va
Member since Oct 2007
639 posts
Posted on 3/10/08 at 9:03 pm to
a friend of mine made her roux with bacon grease instead of oil the other night. interesting. different taste for sure, but interesting.
Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
18126 posts
Posted on 3/10/08 at 9:06 pm to
I go about 1/2 bacon grease, 1/2 fresh oil.
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 3/10/08 at 9:40 pm to
Not my gumbo, but it looks about this color or a bit darker.


Picture number 8 is what my roux looks like. Its never had a burned taste. Its rich and nutty and definitely adds to the flavor of the gumbo.

LINK

Posted by MaximumTiger
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Posted on 3/10/08 at 9:41 pm to
quote:

not trying to be a smartass, but the point of using different color rouxs is to add different degrees of flavor to the appropriate dish.




adding to this... a light roux is thick. the darker the roux, the thinner the gravy, or broth or whatever it is you happen to be cooking.
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 3/10/08 at 9:48 pm to
Here's a guy making the quickie version of a dark roux.

LINK

Rouxs of various colors are used for various dishes. For gumbos, I prefer a dark roux. Some folks like a lighter colored roux for seafood gumbos. I like that one dark as well. Gumbo is a great dish to make to suit your own tastes.
Posted by LSUfanatic
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Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 3/10/08 at 10:12 pm to
I absolutely make a dark roux for either Chicken/sausage or seafood gumbo. Was just the way I was taught. I never vary. I never use okra or tomatoes. Was just the way I was taught. Wouldn't want the elders turning over in their graves!
Posted by coloradoBengal
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 3/10/08 at 11:59 pm to
As others have said...

Chicken Gumbo - Dark Chocolate
Seafood - light brown
Crab Etouffe or Shrimp Sauce Piquant - Blonde

If I am going Light Brown or Blonde, I use butter instead of oil too.
Posted by TigerSpy
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Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 3/11/08 at 7:15 am to
For me, it depends on what I am making...
shrimp and corn soup roux is lighter than chicken and sausage gumbo roux. seafood gumbo roux is darker than that, and sauce piquante roux darker still.
black rouxs do not taste burnt if they aren't scorched, but it does take attention and skill to get them there.
Posted by Ole Geauxt
KnowLa.
Member since Dec 2007
50880 posts
Posted on 3/11/08 at 7:56 am to
About the color of an old, well used Rawlings baseball glove...not quite as dark as an old, well used Wilson baseball glove...
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