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Vegetable oil, Olive oil, or butter?
Posted on 7/17/17 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 7/17/17 at 6:05 pm
How do you determine which to use when "frying" something in a pan? (and if you use some type of oil, is it considered frying?)
My usual suspects are trout, eggs, and occasionally some type of beef like maybe a hamburger patty.
My usual suspects are trout, eggs, and occasionally some type of beef like maybe a hamburger patty.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 6:12 pm to Grassy1
I use olive oil or ghee for pan frying virtually everything these days. That said, I don't eat vegetable oil or butter.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 6:18 pm to Grassy1
Depends on how hot you're cooking. The butter is going to burn at a lower temperature than the olive oil which will burn at a lower temperature than the vegetable oil.
Essentially, what you're going to want to do is to get your hands on a chart that lists smoke points. Figure out/guesstimate how hot you're going to be cooking at, then you'll know which fats you can use without burning the fat itself. Then, you pick the fat that will taste best with what you're cooking.
For instance, if I'm cooking scrambled eggs, I'm using fairly low heat. I could use pretty much any fat and won't run the risk of burning it. So, I'm going to use whatever will make it taste best, and that's bacon fat or butter. Sure, I could use olive oil, but not only is it more expensive, it won't taste right.
If I'm going to be doing a good solid saute for a savory dish under medium high heat, butter's almost certain going to be out because it'll scorch, but I probably can use olive oil. Again, I could use the peanut oil, but the olive oil is almost always going to give me a better flavor in that particular application so I'll use that.
If I'm going full on stir-fry, I'm almost certainly going to be limited to using some very refined type of oil (sunflower, peanut, etc.) Things like butter and olive oil would scorch almost instantly under the intense heat of that cooking method. I'm kinda stuck with using the oils that can stand up to the intense heat of that cooking method and have fewer options to choose from.
In a nutshell, look at the list of oils that will stand up to the heat you're going to use, pick the one with a flavor that best fits what you're going to cook, and if you still have two or three options picking the cheapest isn't dumb.
Essentially, what you're going to want to do is to get your hands on a chart that lists smoke points. Figure out/guesstimate how hot you're going to be cooking at, then you'll know which fats you can use without burning the fat itself. Then, you pick the fat that will taste best with what you're cooking.
For instance, if I'm cooking scrambled eggs, I'm using fairly low heat. I could use pretty much any fat and won't run the risk of burning it. So, I'm going to use whatever will make it taste best, and that's bacon fat or butter. Sure, I could use olive oil, but not only is it more expensive, it won't taste right.
If I'm going to be doing a good solid saute for a savory dish under medium high heat, butter's almost certain going to be out because it'll scorch, but I probably can use olive oil. Again, I could use the peanut oil, but the olive oil is almost always going to give me a better flavor in that particular application so I'll use that.
If I'm going full on stir-fry, I'm almost certainly going to be limited to using some very refined type of oil (sunflower, peanut, etc.) Things like butter and olive oil would scorch almost instantly under the intense heat of that cooking method. I'm kinda stuck with using the oils that can stand up to the intense heat of that cooking method and have fewer options to choose from.
In a nutshell, look at the list of oils that will stand up to the heat you're going to use, pick the one with a flavor that best fits what you're going to cook, and if you still have two or three options picking the cheapest isn't dumb.
This post was edited on 7/17/17 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 7/17/17 at 6:21 pm to RedStickBR
The only thing I will fry in butter is an egg and that's only if I'm having sausage and not bacon with it (I'll use bacon drippings then). The smoke/burning point is to low for anything else.
Same thing pretty much with olive oil. It has a low smoke point and it not great for frying. With that said, some Italian inspired dished call for frying in olive oil such as veil scaloppini and chicken parm; those are usually really quick fries though in a skillet with not a lot of oil. I've used it for that and it works fine.
Everything else that is traditionally "southern" fried I use peanut or corn oil. Veg. oil works fine to though. All have high smoke points, which is what you need for what most people in the south think of when you say fried. Otherwise the oil will scorch during the cooking process.
Same thing pretty much with olive oil. It has a low smoke point and it not great for frying. With that said, some Italian inspired dished call for frying in olive oil such as veil scaloppini and chicken parm; those are usually really quick fries though in a skillet with not a lot of oil. I've used it for that and it works fine.
Everything else that is traditionally "southern" fried I use peanut or corn oil. Veg. oil works fine to though. All have high smoke points, which is what you need for what most people in the south think of when you say fried. Otherwise the oil will scorch during the cooking process.
This post was edited on 7/17/17 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 7/17/17 at 6:26 pm to Grassy1
Oils have different smoke points, ie, the point it starts to burn. Vegetable, canola, peanut oils are good for deep frying. Olive oil is good for pan frying, stir frying and sauteeing. Butter is good for sauteeing and eggs.
I mix butter and olive oil when I'm pan frying fish. Helps prevent the butter from burning, tho nothing wrong with brown butter.
I mix butter and olive oil when I'm pan frying fish. Helps prevent the butter from burning, tho nothing wrong with brown butter.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 6:45 pm to JustSmokin
Coconut oil for the win fella. Use it for numerous things
Posted on 7/17/17 at 6:46 pm to JustSmokin
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nothing wrong with brown butter.
I like a little brown butter when I cook a steak in cast iron. Throw the butter in when you flip it, tilt the pan, and spoon the browned butter on seared upside.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 6:50 pm to GeauxGoose
We use coconut oil as well. But I'm also not opposed to frying an egg in olive oil. You don't have to drench them; just a light coat to keep them from sticking.
But the real truth is that I rarely eat fried eggs anymore. Poached are so much better!
But the real truth is that I rarely eat fried eggs anymore. Poached are so much better!
This post was edited on 7/17/17 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 7/17/17 at 7:24 pm to RedStickBR
Thanks for all the responses!
Sounds like I've pretty much been on track.
I use butter to fry my eggs, usually olive oil to pan fry my trout...
but I floured/egged some trout tonight, so I used veg oil on med-hi heat. I was wishing it was crispier, so I'm thinking I should've cooked it a little hotter.
I guess my "intuitive" selection was just from watching other people. Had never really thought about the science.
Sounds like I've pretty much been on track.
I use butter to fry my eggs, usually olive oil to pan fry my trout...
but I floured/egged some trout tonight, so I used veg oil on med-hi heat. I was wishing it was crispier, so I'm thinking I should've cooked it a little hotter.
I guess my "intuitive" selection was just from watching other people. Had never really thought about the science.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 7:31 pm to Grassy1
I use ghee or lard for everything these days
Posted on 7/17/17 at 7:35 pm to Grassy1
ghee or avocado oil if using high heat
Posted on 7/17/17 at 7:43 pm to Grassy1
I wouldn't use olive oil for any of those. Too expensive. Use veggie oil unless the recipe needs olive oil (like Greek or Italian food).
Posted on 7/17/17 at 7:45 pm to busbeepbeep
avocado oil
This is my goto for most things needing oil.
This is my goto for most things needing oil.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 9:17 pm to Grassy1
Saw a video that said the best way to get an egg is using olive oil and spooning the hot oil over the top so you don't ha e to flip it. Looked interesting.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 8:49 am to TT9
butter infused olive oil is the shite!! i highly recommend it
Posted on 7/18/17 at 11:46 am to Grassy1
What no one is mentioning here is there are a variety of olive oils used for different applications. Extra virgin olive oil (tasting olive oil) can be used on say a salad or a marinade. They actually make an olive oil with a higher smoke point that you can sauté or even fry with.
I like the neutral flavor of grape seed oil when cooking under extremely high heat. Peanut oil tast good frying fish or chicken. There are a lot of good oils available like the others above noted it's all about the smokepoint at which the oil will burn.
I like the neutral flavor of grape seed oil when cooking under extremely high heat. Peanut oil tast good frying fish or chicken. There are a lot of good oils available like the others above noted it's all about the smokepoint at which the oil will burn.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:24 pm to Earthquake 88
Which of these oils are the most unhealthy?
Posted on 7/18/17 at 1:04 pm to bogart
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Which of these oils are the most unhealthy?
Quaker State.
In general, the lower in saturated fats an oil is, the better. I have no idea how they all stack up, though.
This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 1:05 pm
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