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Why are Ox tails called Ox tails?

Posted on 11/3/11 at 1:27 pm
Posted by LSUballs
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Posted on 11/3/11 at 1:27 pm
Aren't they just regular old cow tails?
Posted by CITWTT
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Posted on 11/3/11 at 1:31 pm to
It is a simple mis-nomer, as you are correct in the modern day source. But it goes to the original source of the tail used in Osso Bucco, old ox no longer able to work the fields under the yoke. The owner might as well get one more good use out of him in the form of food for the Roman spread.
Posted by LSUballs
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Posted on 11/3/11 at 1:54 pm to
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It is a simple mis-nomer


Figured as much. I bet there's a bunch of people that think they're really eating something exotic. Instead of the tail of a regular old cow. Food board posters not included, obviously.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
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Posted on 11/3/11 at 2:11 pm to
quote:

It is a simple mis-nomer, as you are correct in the modern day source. But it goes to the original source of the tail used in Osso Bucco, old ox no longer able to work the fields under the yoke. The owner might as well get one more good use out of him in the form of food for the Roman spread


Was the tail the only thing worth eating off of the ox? I've never heard of any other ox meat preparation.
Posted by LSUballs
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Posted on 11/3/11 at 2:22 pm to
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Was the tail the only thing worth eating off of the ox? I've never heard of any other ox meat preparation


Yea Citwit, what's wrong with some Ox loin?


Also, if the Romans got the urge for some Ox tail, could they not go to the barn and bob Babe's tail without killing him? Theoretically speakin..
Posted by deerbutcher
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Posted on 11/3/11 at 5:05 pm to
How many people know where a gooseneck comes from on a beef animal, or why a Boston butt is not the butt at all?
Posted by Zappas Stache
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Posted on 11/3/11 at 6:08 pm to
Why are gullets, necks etc called sweetbread ?
Posted by PBeard
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Posted on 11/3/11 at 6:30 pm to
In pre-revolutionary New England and into the American Revolutionary War, some pork cuts (not those highly valued, or "high on the hog," like loin and ham) were packed into casks or barrels (also known as "butts") for storage and shipment. The way the hog shoulder was cut in the Boston area became known in other regions as "Boston butt".
Posted by Martini
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Posted on 11/3/11 at 7:39 pm to
They were packed in barrels or butts.

Not sure why it's called a gooseneck but it's the bottom round I believe.

Posted by Martini
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Posted on 11/3/11 at 7:41 pm to
What PBeard said.
Posted by CITWTT
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Posted on 11/3/11 at 8:08 pm to
Nothing is wrong with any other part of the ox, except the shite is going to be TOUGH as all get out, they were after all beasts of burden. The cook times would be extremely long and slow. Tail just has one funtion for the most part, swishing the tail of the animal to get rid of flies.
This post was edited on 11/3/11 at 8:21 pm
Posted by CITWTT
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Posted on 11/3/11 at 8:19 pm to
Thymus and thyroid glands are what are sweetbreads to me, the terms you use I am unfamiliar with ompletely. This is just a stab into the dark as to the why. They get the name from the appearance they acquire internally as they cook, it resembles the interior of a loaf of bread.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
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Posted on 11/3/11 at 8:24 pm to
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Nothing is wrong with any other part of the ox, except the shite is going to be TOUGH as all get out, they were after all beasts of burden. The cook times would be extremely long and slow. Tail just has one funtion for the most part, swishing the tail of the animal to get rid of flies.


I was thinking it was possibly something like this. Problem is, the cow tails sold as ox tails are far from the most tender parts of beef.

They take forever to cook until tender.
Posted by Martini
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Posted on 11/3/11 at 8:44 pm to
I have a friend that boils them in crawfish boil and man they are good.
Posted by CITWTT
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Posted on 11/3/11 at 8:59 pm to
I didn't say the tail sat there doing nothing, so it would be tender as all get out. When was the last time you saw a cow NOT swishing that thing. But in terms of the ook time for OB, it is that way for two reasons, the firts is obvious, and the second is to allow for the marrow to seep out of the center, mix with the liquids and act a flavor andthickening/gelling agent in broth.
Posted by tigeryat
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Posted on 11/3/11 at 9:08 pm to
quote:

it goes to the original source of the tail used in Osso Bucco


I've never seen the tail used in an Osso Bucco. Is this common?
Posted by CITWTT
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Posted on 11/3/11 at 9:19 pm to
Yes, the tail is the thing used for OB. Where are you eating it at that they are not using tail? OB is a very "smallish" circular medallion of meat with a vertabrae at its center, and a hole in the middle of the bone where the marrow once resided.
Posted by Martini
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Posted on 11/3/11 at 9:38 pm to
It's always been a veal shank wherever I have eaten osso bucco.

And the best in town is Ruffinos right now because he only cooks it on Thursday.
Posted by CITWTT
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Posted on 11/3/11 at 9:51 pm to
The tail is going to produce a better flavor than the shank due to the maturity of the animal when slaughtered. Baby veal acquires its flavors from the methodology and ingredients in/bywhich it is cooked. The tail version also has a certain appearance, it generally has four lobes of meat around the vertabrae due to its shape of four projections from its center.
Posted by Martini
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Posted on 11/3/11 at 9:56 pm to
I couldn't tell you the difference in flavor since I've never had it as osso bucco.

I've made ox tail soup and had it as above boiled in crawfish boil. It's ok. A distinct flavor certainly.

But I don't think it's traditionally used in osso bucco at least whenever I've seen it.
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