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re: Why are Ox tails called Ox tails?
Posted on 11/4/11 at 12:23 pm to CITWTT
Posted on 11/4/11 at 12:23 pm to CITWTT
Hah hah hah. Yeah, even the first link that comes up on searching that clearly says that Osso Bucco is normally Veal Shanks...
"Dec 2, 2008 – I like to make osso bucco with ox tail. Osso Bucco usually uses veal shanks but ox tail or lamb shanks always make good substitutes in an osso ..."
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You said that Oxtail was the primary cut used for Osso Bucco and that marrow seeped from it.
This is clearly not the case. Osso Bucco is Veal Shank.
"Dec 2, 2008 – I like to make osso bucco with ox tail. Osso Bucco usually uses veal shanks but ox tail or lamb shanks always make good substitutes in an osso ..."
LINK
You said that Oxtail was the primary cut used for Osso Bucco and that marrow seeped from it.
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Yes, the tail is the thing used for OB. Where are you eating it at that they are not using tail? OB is a very "smallish" circular medallion of meat with a vertabrae at its center, and a hole in the middle of the bone where the marrow once resided.
This is clearly not the case. Osso Bucco is Veal Shank.
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Posted on 11/4/11 at 12:43 pm to dpd901
quote:
Osso Bucco is Veal Shank.
And Ox tail is steer tail.
Posted on 11/4/11 at 12:53 pm to dpd901
Insert the word Oxtail(Osso Bucco) into your little search, and one of the first recipes that comes up is from Mario Battali, is he Dago enough for you as a source of Italian cuisine?
Posted on 11/4/11 at 12:54 pm to Count Chocula
quote:She got swagger.
Why the big smile?
Posted on 11/4/11 at 12:59 pm to LSUballs
You are absolutely correct Balls. There is no question that Oxtails do not come from Oxen.
Posted on 11/4/11 at 1:10 pm to dpd901
Cit,
I could put fish in brown gravy and call it DPD's Old Fashioned Osso Bucco. Yes, you can slow braise Oxtail in the style of Osso Bucco. It doesn't make it so.
What you said in your first post is that Oxtail was the primary cut of meat used to make Osso Bucco. You even asked "where are you eating Osso Bucco where they aren't using tail?"
This is talking out of your arse. Osso Bucco is a dish that originated with Veal Shank. The primary cut used to make Osso Bucco is Veal Shank. I have NEVER been to a restaurant that used Ox Tail as Osso Bucco. I have NEVER spoken to a chef that has asked for Oxtail with the intent of menuing it as Osso Bucco. If I interviewd 1000 chefs and asked them how to make a traditional Osso Bucco, all 1000 of them would say use Veal Shank. If I asked them for alternatives, they would say Lamb SHANK or Pork SHANK.
So again, your claim that Oxtail is the primary cut used to prepare true Osso Bucco is wrong. Your claim that Oxtail is even a commonly used substitute for preparing osso bucco is wrong. Your claim that the hole in the oxtail is where "marrow used to reside" is wrong.
Just say... "I was wrong"
I could put fish in brown gravy and call it DPD's Old Fashioned Osso Bucco. Yes, you can slow braise Oxtail in the style of Osso Bucco. It doesn't make it so.
What you said in your first post is that Oxtail was the primary cut of meat used to make Osso Bucco. You even asked "where are you eating Osso Bucco where they aren't using tail?"
This is talking out of your arse. Osso Bucco is a dish that originated with Veal Shank. The primary cut used to make Osso Bucco is Veal Shank. I have NEVER been to a restaurant that used Ox Tail as Osso Bucco. I have NEVER spoken to a chef that has asked for Oxtail with the intent of menuing it as Osso Bucco. If I interviewd 1000 chefs and asked them how to make a traditional Osso Bucco, all 1000 of them would say use Veal Shank. If I asked them for alternatives, they would say Lamb SHANK or Pork SHANK.
So again, your claim that Oxtail is the primary cut used to prepare true Osso Bucco is wrong. Your claim that Oxtail is even a commonly used substitute for preparing osso bucco is wrong. Your claim that the hole in the oxtail is where "marrow used to reside" is wrong.
Just say... "I was wrong"
Posted on 11/4/11 at 1:31 pm to dpd901
Oh, so the ITALIANS(real true live ones that are at most 2nd generation Italian-American, to Italians that are off the boat in thier life times, that teach me Italian food are just a bunch of cooking F'tards, that know nothing about thier own cuisine.
Posted on 11/4/11 at 1:40 pm to CITWTT
quote:So much FAIL... you learned Italiano in Tuscanny with all the other Olive Garden cooks
Oh, so the ITALIANS(real true live ones that are at most 2nd generation Italian-American, to Italians that are off the boat in thier life times, that teach me Italian food are just a bunch of cooking F'tards, that know nothing about thier own cuisine.
This post was edited on 11/4/11 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 11/4/11 at 1:40 pm to CITWTT
No... I'm sure it's a fine dish they are preparing. What I'm saying is that you claimed (which you did) that Oxtail is the PRIMARY cut used for Osso Bucco, and even questioned a poster about having Osso Bucco not made with oxtail being a rare occurance.
What I am saying also is that Osso Bucco is Veal Shank. Every one in the food world who hears the words Osso Bucco immediately thinks of Veal Shank. If you look up the definition of Osso Bucco in any online dictionary, or food website, or blog, or any credible source... It says Veal Shank. If I asked Mario Batalli what Osso Bucco was, he would say "Veal Shank, but I have subsituted other things for certain dishes"
What I am saying also is that Osso Bucco is Veal Shank. Every one in the food world who hears the words Osso Bucco immediately thinks of Veal Shank. If you look up the definition of Osso Bucco in any online dictionary, or food website, or blog, or any credible source... It says Veal Shank. If I asked Mario Batalli what Osso Bucco was, he would say "Veal Shank, but I have subsituted other things for certain dishes"
Posted on 11/4/11 at 1:50 pm to dpd901
Our founding father fought and died for us to have freedom. One of those freedoms is being able to choose between veal shank Osso Bucco and steer tail Osso Bucco. Cit prefers the steer tailed version, and I have no problem with that 
Posted on 11/4/11 at 1:57 pm to dpd901
Posted on 11/4/11 at 2:05 pm to LSUballs
balls, i'm confused. i thought all these foodie fellers could afford a steak.. times must be tough down sowf, fight'n over cow tails and stuff.. 
Posted on 11/4/11 at 2:07 pm to Ole Geauxt
No shite Geauxt. I've even heard tell that some of them eat steer TONGUE 
Posted on 11/4/11 at 2:38 pm to LSUballs
quote:
some of them eat steer TONGUE
:quietlyraiseshand:
Posted on 11/4/11 at 3:13 pm to LSUballs
quote:heck, i'd trade every steer tongue, nose, and jawbone in Washitaw, for one little ribeye..
steer TONGUE
Poor folks,,, I feel for em..
Steer tongue,, you sure?
Posted on 11/4/11 at 3:21 pm to Ole Geauxt
I shite you not. Look up there at Martini, he'll even admit it... in public.
Posted on 11/4/11 at 5:50 pm to LSUballs
i have never, ever heard of osso bucco being made with ox tail.
Posted on 11/4/11 at 7:35 pm to LSUballs
:iaintascerreduvatongue:
Posted on 11/4/11 at 8:15 pm to dpd901
Does osso bucco have to be a veal cut?
Posted on 11/4/11 at 11:35 pm to LSUballs
quote:
Figured as much. I bet there's a bunch of people that think they're really eating something exotic. Instead of the tail of a regular old cow. Food board posters not included, obviously.
If they're going to eat the tail of something, it's their own damn fault
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