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Aug Marathon (Northern US) 16 week Training Plan

Posted on 4/17/25 at 9:19 am
Posted by Odysseus32
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 4/17/25 at 9:19 am
All the generic ones I've come across are arse. This one might be arse as well, but please tell me why.

Highest Volume Week: 11/13 - ~53
Lowest Volume Week: 15 - 24 (maybe still too much?)

Never done a marathon -- Longest run of my life is 16 miles. I've been running longer distances the past couple of weeks (12-16 miles) @ 9:45 pace, HR hovering around 148-152

Shooting for a sub 4 hour marathon.



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This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 10:08 am
Posted by Not Cooper
Member since Jun 2015
4919 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 9:58 am to
Not an experienced marathon runner, but looking at it the middle of your weeks are going to be rough. That’s 3 high stress days in a row.

What’s the goal of the repeats? Is it a VO2 max day? Because you’ve got another VO2 max with the 4x4s 48 hours later with a tempo in between.

I’d probably combine the repeats and 4x4s to one VO2 max workout and replace one with an easy run.
Posted by Odysseus32
Member since Dec 2009
8441 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 10:07 am to
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What’s the goal of the repeats? Is it a VO2 max day? Because you’ve got another VO2 max with the 4x4s 48 hours later with a tempo in between.

I’d probably combine the repeats and 4x4s to one VO2 max workout and replace one with an easy run.


Probably a weakness, but I have to throttle back a lot on my runs. It takes a lot of discipline to not just send it until I am dead. I have gotten much better at this, but I thought having a couple of fast days in there would help me mentally.

But idk what I'm doing so I've changed it -- Here's an updated version


Posted by Not Cooper
Member since Jun 2015
4919 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 10:24 am to
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but I thought having a couple of fast days in there would help me mentally.

I understand that. Easy runs can wear on me mentally because they’re so slow and seeing the paces compared to my goal pace makes it feel like I’m so far off.

I don’t think there’s necessarily a problem with multiple fast days I just wouldn’t want them 3 days in a row. One of those workouts would suffer in quality due to fatigue or you’ll push through and increase injury risk IMO
Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
24336 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 10:35 am to
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That’s 3 high stress days in a row.


Which means hello shin splints or worse, stress fracture. Very few people can handle that kind of intensity unless they're at a high level starting out in the training.

Posted by SoFlaGuy
Fort Lauderdale
Member since Apr 2020
1875 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 9:40 pm to
I’m sure it’s fine. I’ve used Runna for my last two Half’s and love it. Used Garmin for my first half in 2023 finished at 1:55. Took 10 mins off my next, six months later using. Has a lot of variety of runs, so it doesn’t get boring.

Plus, it tracks everything for me. And, you can add your shoes if you rotate them, to keep up with the mileage. Def not needed, but thought it was cool.

It is pricey, it’s $119 for the year. There might be a monthly option, but I’m not sure how much. Good luck with your marathon!
This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 9:42 pm
Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
24336 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 10:03 pm to
Runna would never schedule 3 hard runs in a row. It actually warns you against if it you try to adjust it like that on the calendar. Ask me how I know?
Posted by Maniac979
The Great State of Texas
Member since Jan 2012
1955 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 8:57 pm to
Recipe for a training injury.
Posted by Odysseus32
Member since Dec 2009
8441 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 5:51 am to
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Recipe for a training injury.


This is what I was looking for, but would you be willing to elaborate?

Like I said, I don't really know what I am doing.

This is about how I run normally. About 35-40 miles a week, this is just more structured and progressive.
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
33453 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 9:11 am to
Not that I'm an expert having just finished my first marathon, but if you're already running that much and follow any semblance of a plan you'll easily go under 4 hours unless you're really old and/or slow right now.

I was starting at a pretty decent place after a few months of training for a sub 20 5k but very little in the way of "long runs". After my 5k I did the last 7 weeks of Higdon's novice 1 plan (though not even religiously) and ran a marathon. Made it in 3:37, my highest mileage weeks were mid 30s and only probably four of five of those.

You sound like me in that the hardest part is embracing the "slower runs". I never really did "slow runs", I ran all my long runs at my goal marathon pace (which was a conservative 8:30 so still felt slow/easy). If race day you feel better/faster then push a little harder and you'll end up way under 4. If you don't feel great you've still got a little cushion if the last few miles get ya.

Don't overthink it, you got it.
This post was edited on 4/19/25 at 9:15 am
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