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Architect vs draftsman?

Posted on 7/23/19 at 2:56 pm
Posted by Katie
Member since Apr 2019
5 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 2:56 pm
I heave found a house plan that I would like to modify and build. Is an architect needed or can a draftsman get it done? Any experiences?
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
37885 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 3:21 pm to
a draftsman can get it done but where it's going to be built will determine if an architect's stamp or not for city approval.

or something like that.
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
40619 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 3:32 pm to
A draftsman could make the changes but they may or may not have the knowledge to deal with any structural changes. If you have a builder lined up they could easily make the changes for you.
Posted by couv1217
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Sep 2007
3451 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 7:45 pm to
Does anyone have any recommendations for draftsmen in BR? I saw in an earlier post about pelican drafting. I’ve called them a couple times and wrote in on their website. No one has gotten back to me.
Posted by MotorBoater
Hammond
Member since Sep 2010
1693 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 7:54 pm to
I see a lot of plans from Madden Home Design. Pretty sure they are in Denham.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
129897 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 8:04 pm to
We just finished a house plan with a draftsman. Gave it to my builder and he said it was fine, he could work with, but he could tell it was done by a draftsman and not an architect.
Posted by MarcusQuinn
Member since Aug 2005
582 posts
Posted on 7/23/19 at 9:17 pm to
It’s weird to me that people look to save a few thousand on the plans for an investment of hundreds of thousands of dollars that their family will live in for years. It’s the wrong place to trim your budget. That being said...

Architects are degreed professionals. 5 or 6 years of school, three years of internship and a professional exam. It’s a commitment. They are required to have yearly continuing education including codes, life safety, best practices, systems and materials. They have taken structures classes, mech and elec systems classes and most have years of experience applying that knowledge. Architects know history, styles, periods and proportions. Or should.

There are bad architects just like any other profession. Some have the stereotypical ego. But using references and looking at resumes and portfolios of work, usually posted online, it’s not hard to find a competent professional designer that will work with you and give ideas and insights you may not have even considered.

There are also some great builders and draftsmen out there too, but you are drawing from a different pool and there is more risk in that.

Obviously I recommend an architect, but more than that I’d recommend an appropriate amount of time to vet your options. Architect vs draftsperson isn’t really the way to approach it. Talk to people. Look at firms and examples. Look at the long term costs and consequences of this choice. This is where people look back in 5, 10, 15 years and regret not spending the time and/or money up front. Some look back 3 months and regret it.

Good luck.
Posted by fishfighter
RIP
Member since Apr 2008
40026 posts
Posted on 7/24/19 at 5:38 am to
My take, a experience Draftsman can do a fine job on a house plan. Saying that, a good GC will be able to read the plans with no problems.

Now if one is building a high end custom home, then I would look into a Architect. A good one can cost as high as 10% of the cost of building a house.
Posted by ItNeverRains
Offugeaux
Member since Oct 2007
28166 posts
Posted on 7/24/19 at 7:03 am to
quote:

Now if one is building a high end custom home, then I would look into a Architect. A good one can cost as high as 10% of the cost of building a house


Most big guys in market here are $3 foot under beam. I agree that if your building a higher end unique/boutique property this is the route. Otherwise bring a plan that’s close to the builder and let him use his guy to tweak it. Just pay attention to window sizing and roof pitches in the final set of plans, those have a way of shrinking
Posted by Katie
Member since Apr 2019
5 posts
Posted on 7/24/19 at 8:03 am to
Looking to build a 700k house. 70k for an architect vs 1 to 5k for a draftsman. I need to ad an entrance an move a couple walls to the plan we have.
Posted by fishfighter
RIP
Member since Apr 2008
40026 posts
Posted on 7/24/19 at 8:43 am to
Yep, 70K, but the architect will visit the build thru the completion to make sure everything is built to the plan.

I was a draftsman in my younger years. Got away from doing that due to starving to death.

Moving a few walls, a good draftsman can do if you have the complete full plans.
Posted by MarcusQuinn
Member since Aug 2005
582 posts
Posted on 7/24/19 at 9:24 am to
To summarize the posts above:

A draftsman cost $1-5k. An architect costs $70k (verified as accurate).

For a custom home, the consensus is to find existing plans and move a few walls around or give them to the builder and he’ll have a guy tweak them. Just keep an eye out for adjustments like reduced roof pitch, smaller windows, etc. A good GC should be able to read plans from a draftsman.

I tried.
This post was edited on 7/24/19 at 9:53 am
Posted by ItNeverRains
Offugeaux
Member since Oct 2007
28166 posts
Posted on 7/24/19 at 10:34 am to
quote:

Looking to build a 700k house. 70k for an architect vs 1 to 5k for a draftsman.


Again that number is out of line with guys I work with, from draftsman to the Guy Land & Carson Looney’s of the world. Guy Land drew my personal house (5500 under beam) and did it for 50% due to relationship and business I send him, it was 8k and change, normal would have been 16k and change. My draftsman would have done it for 5k, but I needed an architect for a unique fully custom house.

If you are just trying to move a few things that can be moved easily, I’d go draftsman all day long. I’m assuming you are building in La where a 700k budget should get you 3000ft2 or more depending on your selections.
Posted by couv1217
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Sep 2007
3451 posts
Posted on 7/24/19 at 11:06 am to
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ItNeverRains


Any draftsman suggestions?
Posted by LSUtigerME
Walker, LA
Member since Oct 2012
3890 posts
Posted on 7/24/19 at 11:52 am to
quote:

My draftsman would have done it for 5k, but I needed an architect for a unique fully custom house.

You didn’t need an architect. A draftsman is perfectly capable of this in the residential construction world. An architect simply provides a higher level of quality and detail.

Architects earn their money with detail and construction plans/oversight. For example, an architect will detail out how to nail the studs to the top plate and the number/size of nails required (I’ve seen this). You get a much higher quality print with all relevant details required and verified.

A draftsman will use standard details. They will also not detail out every aspect that may be necessary for construction. They will leave this up to the contractor building the house. As in all reality, that contractor would likely ignore the details provided by an architect and build it per their typical method.

For residential construction, an architect is not required. A experienced home designer (not just any draftsman) can do a very good job and design for you just about any home you desire. This design will also rely on the quality of the contractor being used and all QA is left to the GC or Homeowner.
Posted by ItNeverRains
Offugeaux
Member since Oct 2007
28166 posts
Posted on 7/24/19 at 1:06 pm to
quote:

You didn’t need an architect. A draftsman is perfectly capable of this in the residential construction world. An architect simply provides a higher level of quality and detail.



Joel is this you? I’ve drawn houses with both over the last decade, I know the capabilities of both. My draftsman can trace another houseplan and add/remove certain aspects to meet buyer needs, but starting from scratch he’s about as “meat and potatoes” and unoriginal as it gets. I’m not saying this is every draftsman through the United States, just mine.

So I went with my architect.
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