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Converting switched outlet to a split outlet? Possible?
Posted on 6/23/23 at 7:15 am
Posted on 6/23/23 at 7:15 am
I’d like to convert my outlet on top of my kitchen cabinets that controls the cabinet accent lights from a completely switched outlet to a split outlet where one is always hot and one is on the switch. Is this possible?
I understand how to do it on a new wire run or how to convert a split outlet to non split, but I’m having a hard time determining if I can split a switched outlet?
I know I need to split the line/ hot and remove the tab, but I’m having a hard time picturing the line is not constantly hot because of the switch right?
I understand how to do it on a new wire run or how to convert a split outlet to non split, but I’m having a hard time determining if I can split a switched outlet?
I know I need to split the line/ hot and remove the tab, but I’m having a hard time picturing the line is not constantly hot because of the switch right?
Posted on 6/23/23 at 7:58 am to baldona
Posted on 6/23/23 at 8:00 am to bbvdd
That isn’t what the OP is asking for at all. 

Posted on 6/23/23 at 8:04 am to MikeBRLA
Yeah it isn’t is it.
Completely misread it or had something in my mind where I glossed over what he. Asked about.
Completely misread it or had something in my mind where I glossed over what he. Asked about.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 8:08 am to baldona
I assume this would be what most people have under their kitchen sinks for their dishwasher and garbage disposal outlets. Disposal is on a switch, dishwasher is always hot. Maybe look this up?
Posted on 6/23/23 at 8:41 am to baldona
The switch is controlling power to the outlet likely with only one line, and you cannot keep one port hot and switch the other with only one line. You must run an additional hot line, or you can convert to a smart outlet and a smart switch.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 12:52 pm to baldona
Yes its possible.
I had a garbage disposal plugged in to a switched outlet that I converted to a always on on one outlet and switched on the other outlet.
Of course my switch was part of the gang box so all the wiring was right there. If your switch is not part of the gang box you would probably need to run more wiring from the outlet to the switch. If this isn't possible then yes going the smart outlet is probably the better solution.
I had a garbage disposal plugged in to a switched outlet that I converted to a always on on one outlet and switched on the other outlet.
Of course my switch was part of the gang box so all the wiring was right there. If your switch is not part of the gang box you would probably need to run more wiring from the outlet to the switch. If this isn't possible then yes going the smart outlet is probably the better solution.
Posted on 6/23/23 at 3:20 pm to Puffoluffagus
Yes converting back from a split to a non split is easy.
I'm having a hard time picturing why I can't do this, because everything I'm seeing online basically shows that you just split the hot line at the outlet, one goes to each outlet and one goes to the switch?
ETA: This is not my picture, you can tell because the drawing is too nice
But this is exactly what I'm trying to do. Anyone know if there's any issues with doing this? I found a video where "This Old House" did this exact thing, so it seems legit?
ETA2: I'm an idiot, I'm almost positive this is the end of a line. So there's only one set of wires going. Basically I'm screwed. Re running wire isn't possible for this.
I'm having a hard time picturing why I can't do this, because everything I'm seeing online basically shows that you just split the hot line at the outlet, one goes to each outlet and one goes to the switch?
ETA: This is not my picture, you can tell because the drawing is too nice

But this is exactly what I'm trying to do. Anyone know if there's any issues with doing this? I found a video where "This Old House" did this exact thing, so it seems legit?
ETA2: I'm an idiot, I'm almost positive this is the end of a line. So there's only one set of wires going. Basically I'm screwed. Re running wire isn't possible for this.

This post was edited on 6/23/23 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 6/23/23 at 11:02 pm to baldona
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This post was edited on 6/24/23 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 6/24/23 at 6:26 am to baldona
This issue you have is your line voltage currently goes to your switch first and you have 1 wire going to the outlet.
You can't do what you want unless you pull new wire to the outlet.
As poster above said, you could do it with a smart switch and outlet. You also need a automation hub.
You can't do what you want unless you pull new wire to the outlet.
As poster above said, you could do it with a smart switch and outlet. You also need a automation hub.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 1:23 pm to baldona
How many wires run to your outlet now?
Where is the switch relative to the outlet?
Chances are you need to run another wire (or wires) from the switch.
Where is the switch relative to the outlet?
Chances are you need to run another wire (or wires) from the switch.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 6:10 pm to mdomingue
I can’t rerun really. Just no way.
What if I added an outlet? It’s just an outlet on top of my cabinet. Could I then have one always hot? Pretty sure no as the switch is cutting all power right? I’m trying to think here, I’d rather not use a smart device.
What if I added an outlet? It’s just an outlet on top of my cabinet. Could I then have one always hot? Pretty sure no as the switch is cutting all power right? I’m trying to think here, I’d rather not use a smart device.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 8:21 pm to baldona
Unless you splice the line power in your attic before the switch to feed the new outlet, adding an additional outlet does nothing for you.
Posted on 6/26/23 at 7:54 am to baldona
If you were near me I would offer to take a look at what you have. Ultimately, to do what you want, you need to have unswitched power at your outlet. And you need three conductors and a ground minimum. Without three conductors, there is no safe way to have power continuously and a switched outlet.
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