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Converting switched outlet to a split outlet? Possible?

Posted on 6/23/23 at 7:15 am
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
22374 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 7:15 am
I’d like to convert my outlet on top of my kitchen cabinets that controls the cabinet accent lights from a completely switched outlet to a split outlet where one is always hot and one is on the switch. Is this possible?

I understand how to do it on a new wire run or how to convert a split outlet to non split, but I’m having a hard time determining if I can split a switched outlet?

I know I need to split the line/ hot and remove the tab, but I’m having a hard time picturing the line is not constantly hot because of the switch right?
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
26874 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 7:58 am to
Yes you can

Lowes

Hot run in to the outlet and the switch runs to the lights.
Posted by MikeBRLA
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
16880 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 8:00 am to
That isn’t what the OP is asking for at all.
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
26874 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 8:04 am to
Yeah it isn’t is it.

Completely misread it or had something in my mind where I glossed over what he. Asked about.
Posted by RaginRampage
Detroit Lions Fan
Member since Feb 2018
219 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 8:08 am to
I assume this would be what most people have under their kitchen sinks for their dishwasher and garbage disposal outlets. Disposal is on a switch, dishwasher is always hot. Maybe look this up?
Posted by guedeaux
Member since Jan 2008
13712 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 8:41 am to
The switch is controlling power to the outlet likely with only one line, and you cannot keep one port hot and switch the other with only one line. You must run an additional hot line, or you can convert to a smart outlet and a smart switch.
Posted by Puffoluffagus
Savannah, GA
Member since Feb 2009
6318 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 12:52 pm to
Yes its possible.
I had a garbage disposal plugged in to a switched outlet that I converted to a always on on one outlet and switched on the other outlet.

Of course my switch was part of the gang box so all the wiring was right there. If your switch is not part of the gang box you would probably need to run more wiring from the outlet to the switch. If this isn't possible then yes going the smart outlet is probably the better solution.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
22374 posts
Posted on 6/23/23 at 3:20 pm to
Yes converting back from a split to a non split is easy.

I'm having a hard time picturing why I can't do this, because everything I'm seeing online basically shows that you just split the hot line at the outlet, one goes to each outlet and one goes to the switch?

ETA: This is not my picture, you can tell because the drawing is too nice

But this is exactly what I'm trying to do. Anyone know if there's any issues with doing this? I found a video where "This Old House" did this exact thing, so it seems legit?

ETA2: I'm an idiot, I'm almost positive this is the end of a line. So there's only one set of wires going. Basically I'm screwed. Re running wire isn't possible for this.



This post was edited on 6/23/23 at 3:37 pm
Posted by LSUDad
Still on the move
Member since May 2004
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Posted on 6/23/23 at 11:02 pm to
Call John, master electrician, fair prices, great work.

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This post was edited on 6/24/23 at 12:40 pm
Posted by mchias1
Member since Dec 2009
903 posts
Posted on 6/24/23 at 6:26 am to
This issue you have is your line voltage currently goes to your switch first and you have 1 wire going to the outlet.

You can't do what you want unless you pull new wire to the outlet.


As poster above said, you could do it with a smart switch and outlet. You also need a automation hub.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
37644 posts
Posted on 6/24/23 at 1:23 pm to
How many wires run to your outlet now?

Where is the switch relative to the outlet?

Chances are you need to run another wire (or wires) from the switch.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
22374 posts
Posted on 6/24/23 at 6:10 pm to
I can’t rerun really. Just no way.

What if I added an outlet? It’s just an outlet on top of my cabinet. Could I then have one always hot? Pretty sure no as the switch is cutting all power right? I’m trying to think here, I’d rather not use a smart device.
Posted by mchias1
Member since Dec 2009
903 posts
Posted on 6/24/23 at 8:21 pm to
Unless you splice the line power in your attic before the switch to feed the new outlet, adding an additional outlet does nothing for you.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
37644 posts
Posted on 6/26/23 at 7:54 am to
If you were near me I would offer to take a look at what you have. Ultimately, to do what you want, you need to have unswitched power at your outlet. And you need three conductors and a ground minimum. Without three conductors, there is no safe way to have power continuously and a switched outlet.
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