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Crawl Space - Mold, now what?
Posted on 2/9/21 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 2/9/21 at 9:38 pm
Dealing with moisture issues in a small crawl space area (90% of the home is basement) that have lead to a mold/fungus issue... Much of the moisture will be corrected through downspout piping and general yard drainage improvements. Contractors for the crawl space area I’ve spoken with have recommended everything from simply installing a couple of fans and improving the vapor barrier and ventilating the crawl space to full scale encapsulation to seal off and installing dehumidifiers. They also believe all joists and subfloor in this small crawl space area should be replaced, but that also requires a full blown mold remediation effort.
Thoughts? Short of never having a home with crawl spaces again, albeit very small ones, I seem to change my mind after every “article” I find online. Seems that crawl space issues are the new slippery slope and anything short of an environment just as comfortable as the inside of your house is the worst idea ever. We are in North Alabama and I do see why pulling outside air in doesn’t make sense - but seems to have worked for quite a long time before.
Thoughts? Short of never having a home with crawl spaces again, albeit very small ones, I seem to change my mind after every “article” I find online. Seems that crawl space issues are the new slippery slope and anything short of an environment just as comfortable as the inside of your house is the worst idea ever. We are in North Alabama and I do see why pulling outside air in doesn’t make sense - but seems to have worked for quite a long time before.



Posted on 2/9/21 at 9:45 pm to BamaEng022
A match
THeres chemical you can spray that should kill it. Try chlorox first. But may have to go with commercial stuff.
THeres chemical you can spray that should kill it. Try chlorox first. But may have to go with commercial stuff.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 9:48 pm to BamaEng022
Is any of that rotted? If not, don't worry about the fungal growth but try to control the moisture that is fueling the issue. There is mold on all kinds of stuff outside of your home. The interior of your home is separated from this fungal growth.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 9:53 pm to wickowick
Unfortunately, several segments of the OSB between the joists seem shot as the floor above this is tile and has started cracking. These areas have long running cracks now at what has to be between the joists.
I’ve tried to convince me there had to be backer board, but I can’t see it cracking/sagging like it has.
That has what spurred the contractor otherwise I would treat in place. The contractor has serious concern opening that space up and exposing the inside of the house, even though it is a real small area. It seems way overkill but I also can understand isolating it.
I’ve tried to convince me there had to be backer board, but I can’t see it cracking/sagging like it has.
That has what spurred the contractor otherwise I would treat in place. The contractor has serious concern opening that space up and exposing the inside of the house, even though it is a real small area. It seems way overkill but I also can understand isolating it.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 10:03 pm to BamaEng022
First thing to attack is the moisture. Wheres it coming from? IT's a basement. Does that basement have a solid floor? or is it dirt? If its 100% cement on the sides and pad? I'd hang a vapor barrier down there to eliminate the moisture. Install a dehumidifier and suck out the remaining moisture maybe? Theres a reason why moisture content is high. You need to find out becasue if you dont and just replace the wood? Youre back to square one with a mold issue in a matter of months.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 10:09 pm to wizard1183
Agreed, but this issue is specifically for the crawl space, not the basement. The major contributing factor to the moisture has been the lack of yard drainage coupled with three downspouts terminating nearby rather piped away. That is corrected so I feel the moisture issue is addressed. My major concern was what am I about to get into by opening this area up to replace the subfloor and is a $5,000 crawl space encapsulation system the right move going forward.
It’s amazing to me the conversations this topic leads to when talking with potential companies - absolutely blows my mind that there can be such big differences in strategy to address a crawl space.
It’s amazing to me the conversations this topic leads to when talking with potential companies - absolutely blows my mind that there can be such big differences in strategy to address a crawl space.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 10:36 pm to BamaEng022
Posted on 2/9/21 at 10:37 pm to BamaEng022
Dead mold spores are only dangerous if they are disturbed (during construction). Mold needs moisture. Install exhaust fans connected to a humidistat set to 60%. Kill the mold, kill the problem (unless you are disturbing it).
Posted on 2/10/21 at 6:46 am to BamaEng022
About a month ago my buddy had that white mold on the joists under his cabin. He had Servpro come out and they sprayed and scrubbed all of it off. There was still residual mold/musty smell in the cabin on the couches & mattresses. Servpro came back out and ran two air scrubbers for a week in the cabin & crawl space.
Unfortunately his homeowner's insurance wouldn't cover the $4100 bill because Servpro didn't take any 'before' pictures.
Unfortunately his homeowner's insurance wouldn't cover the $4100 bill because Servpro didn't take any 'before' pictures.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 1:46 pm to wizard1183
Do not use bleach. It will strip out the woods integrity and make it brittle. Use Bora-Care with Mold Care. It’s a natural green boron based product that comes together in 1 jug. You can also mix it to protect against termites and powder post beetles too. Just mix a higher rate. Go to Nisuscorp.com for plenty of information. Product comes clear and is like syrup. Need a paint spindle and drill to mix together in 5 gallon bucket to get properly agitated. Local pest companies can do this or you can do it yourself.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 2:46 pm to BamaEng022
You can buy several professional grade products fairly easily so don't use bleach for a variety of reasons. Distributors like Jon-Don or Aramsco work with mold remediation companies so you might start with their websites.
The mold issue should be addressed as a small percentage of the population does have adverse health effects due to mold exposure. If no one in the home has any problems, you may be in the clear but better safe than sorry. Regardless, if you ever plan to sell the home, you have to get this corrected.
Mold spores are Fungi. That is to say, the mold digest the surface that it grows on as a food source. Mold can be cleaned from a surface and the surface can be treated to prevent further mold growth. However, that subfloor may have some rot issues. If there is a structural integrity issue with the subfloor or floor joists, they will need to be replaced.
To clean mold from a surface, you generally start from the least aggressive method and go up to the most aggressive method required to remove the mold. It is very labor intensive, unpleasant, and difficult to work in crawlspaces which is why many homeowners elect to hire a professional. Methods of removal include but are not limited to:
Handwiping
Brushing with wire brushes
Sanding with belt sander or orbital sander
Dry Ice Blasting
Soda Blasting
And so forth.
All persons working in the crawlspace should be trained and qualified to use PPE. This includes DIY homeowners as well as professionals.
Moisture is the key. Without moisture, mold growth will not occur.
The moisture content of the floor joists and subfloor should be less than 18%. The relative humidity in the crawlspace should be kept below 60%. Much of the advice you have been given in partially correct. If fans, will keep the humidity below 60% RH, you will be fine. If not, you may need any or all of the following improvements:
Vapor Barrier
Encapulation
Dehumidification
There is lot more to the science of mold and how it affects people but this should give you an idea of what you are up against.
The mold issue should be addressed as a small percentage of the population does have adverse health effects due to mold exposure. If no one in the home has any problems, you may be in the clear but better safe than sorry. Regardless, if you ever plan to sell the home, you have to get this corrected.
Mold spores are Fungi. That is to say, the mold digest the surface that it grows on as a food source. Mold can be cleaned from a surface and the surface can be treated to prevent further mold growth. However, that subfloor may have some rot issues. If there is a structural integrity issue with the subfloor or floor joists, they will need to be replaced.
To clean mold from a surface, you generally start from the least aggressive method and go up to the most aggressive method required to remove the mold. It is very labor intensive, unpleasant, and difficult to work in crawlspaces which is why many homeowners elect to hire a professional. Methods of removal include but are not limited to:
Handwiping
Brushing with wire brushes
Sanding with belt sander or orbital sander
Dry Ice Blasting
Soda Blasting
And so forth.
All persons working in the crawlspace should be trained and qualified to use PPE. This includes DIY homeowners as well as professionals.
Moisture is the key. Without moisture, mold growth will not occur.
The moisture content of the floor joists and subfloor should be less than 18%. The relative humidity in the crawlspace should be kept below 60%. Much of the advice you have been given in partially correct. If fans, will keep the humidity below 60% RH, you will be fine. If not, you may need any or all of the following improvements:
Vapor Barrier
Encapulation
Dehumidification
There is lot more to the science of mold and how it affects people but this should give you an idea of what you are up against.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 4:06 pm to mingoswamp
quote:
Unfortunately his homeowner's insurance wouldn't cover the $4100 bill because Servpro didn't take any 'before' picture
Before pics have nothing to do with the insurance coverage. That isn’t a covered loss due to long term issues and not sudden and accidental damages
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:32 pm to wickowick
Wick, that's what his insurance agent told him.
But you're right about it being an old problem. Cause was a rusted out steel fitting going out to the holding tank.
But you're right about it being an old problem. Cause was a rusted out steel fitting going out to the holding tank.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 9:19 am to BamaEng022
We had the same issue, due to a leaky Fridge.
Our neighbor fortunately has been in the biz for years and said encapsulation is a crock. So they cleaned the mold up and then sprayed some sort of chemical under that basically painted the underside and added a new vapor barrier.
We also added drains to keep water away from the house and added another vent.
Our neighbor fortunately has been in the biz for years and said encapsulation is a crock. So they cleaned the mold up and then sprayed some sort of chemical under that basically painted the underside and added a new vapor barrier.
We also added drains to keep water away from the house and added another vent.
Posted on 2/11/21 at 9:32 am to BamaEng022
I had the same issue that was discovered on inspection before I sold my home.
I don't think mine was nearly as severe as yours. But essentially they found an area in the foundation that was letting water come in and was being trapped. So they mitigated the source, cleaned the mold with scrubbing and disinfectant and the installed a vapor barrier and replaced insulation as needed.
That ran me $1900 or so.
There are companies who specialize in thse mitigation solutions.
In any case, if the integrity of the wood is there, I would probably just clean/disinfect and vapor barrier and address the source.
Of course I don't live at that house...so who knows if the above solution provided sustained treatment.
I don't think mine was nearly as severe as yours. But essentially they found an area in the foundation that was letting water come in and was being trapped. So they mitigated the source, cleaned the mold with scrubbing and disinfectant and the installed a vapor barrier and replaced insulation as needed.
That ran me $1900 or so.
There are companies who specialize in thse mitigation solutions.
In any case, if the integrity of the wood is there, I would probably just clean/disinfect and vapor barrier and address the source.
Of course I don't live at that house...so who knows if the above solution provided sustained treatment.
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