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DIY natural gas installation- New Orleans
Posted on 11/16/20 at 9:55 am
Posted on 11/16/20 at 9:55 am
I'm wanting to get natural gas service set up for oven, cooktop, hot water heater.
Trying to figure out if I can plumb the gas from the meter to the appliances myself, or if I'm bound to using a licensed contractor due to permitting/regulatory requirements.
FWIW, I am in the lower garden district.
Trying to figure out if I can plumb the gas from the meter to the appliances myself, or if I'm bound to using a licensed contractor due to permitting/regulatory requirements.
FWIW, I am in the lower garden district.
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Posted on 11/16/20 at 10:31 am to redbaron
I would think the city/parish would require a licensed plumber to do the work IF you get it permitted
Posted on 11/16/20 at 11:36 am to redbaron
Let a professional deal with this baw. Plumbers have everything to cut and thread pipe.
Posted on 11/16/20 at 11:41 am to redbaron
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DIY natural gas installation
Yeah, not allowed. A quick searched showed that Orleans Parish basically codified the International Fuel Gas Code - 2006 Edition.
AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND AND REORDAIN ORDINANCE NO. 11,627 M.C.S., AS AMENDED, TO CONFORM TO THE INTERNATIONAL FUEL GAS CODE, 2006 EDITION, AND APPENDICES THERETO; AND OTHERWISE TO PROVIDE WITH RESPECT THERETO:
Bottom of page 10-11 seems to show that Orleans Parish wants a Class "A" Master Gasfitter or a Class "B" Journeyman Gasfitter to engage in the "business of installing or contracting to install or repairing or contracting to repair gas piping, gas appliances or any other gas fired apparatus."
This post was edited on 11/16/20 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 11/16/20 at 1:58 pm to redbaron
Check with gas company. When I was in an all electric house, I had the gas company install the gas water heater. They did it a a good price. When the plumber was there to run the gas line, I had him put in Tees where the line could eventually be run to other appliances as they were replaced.
Posted on 11/16/20 at 1:59 pm to bbrownso
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This post was edited on 10/18/21 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 11/16/20 at 2:07 pm to bbrownso
what he is proposing is not the "business of installing or contracting to install or repairing or contracting to repair gas piping, gas appliances or any other gas fired apparatus."
That said, for a project of this size, I'd hire it out.
That said, for a project of this size, I'd hire it out.
Posted on 11/16/20 at 3:07 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
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When I was in an all electric house, I had the gas company install the gas water heater. They did it a a good price. When the plumber was there to run the gas line, I had him put in Tees where the line could eventually be run to other appliances as they were replaced.
I did the same last fall. I had a natural gas stove put in. Gas company put in the meter for free. The stove company installed it.
I had to get a permit and they checked his work, pressure test etc.
I had him put a T on my line. I'm going to add lines next year and Im not planning on involving the city anymore.
A contractor friend is going to teach me how to do it.
Posted on 11/16/20 at 5:27 pm to redbaron
Between Orleans Parish permits and Entergy requirements I'd be surprised if they allow a DIY gas installation.
I would recommend against it. Mess up a plumbing project and you end up with a water leak and some damaged sheetrock. Mess up a gas line and you end up with something like this Wikipedia - Texas Schoolhouse Explosion. That one event led to the widespread use of odorants in natural gas service.
I would recommend against it. Mess up a plumbing project and you end up with a water leak and some damaged sheetrock. Mess up a gas line and you end up with something like this Wikipedia - Texas Schoolhouse Explosion. That one event led to the widespread use of odorants in natural gas service.
This post was edited on 11/16/20 at 5:55 pm
Posted on 11/16/20 at 9:36 pm to lsujro
quote:
what he is proposing is not the "business of installing or contracting to install or repairing or contracting to repair gas piping, gas appliances or any other gas fired apparatus."
quote:
Trying to figure out if I can plumb the gas from the meter to the appliances myself
Um, seems pretty clear he's wanting to run a gas line (and then connect it to appliances). That seems pretty on the point there.
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What Latoya don't know won't hurt her.
Perhaps, but the consequences when/if you get caught, will almost certainly be a bigger pain in the arse than doing it the proper way now.
Especially if you do it wrong and have adverse consequences (gas leak, fire, explosion, etc).
This post was edited on 11/16/20 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 11/17/20 at 8:30 am to bbrownso
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business of installing
dude are you serious? where is he operating a business? words have meaning. you can't just ignore the ones that make you wrong. i guarantee you the code says the same thing for every other construction trade operated as a business.
Posted on 11/17/20 at 10:54 am to redbaron
I have gas service. Wanted to install a gas range and got a quote from a plumber. Almost choked on my own laughter. They wanted $1k to tee off an existing line and run it down my wall to the range. I DIY’d it with a buddy on a Saturday.
If you’re careful and meticulous, it’s kinda hard to screw up. Plan plan plan ahead of time. Measure and measure again then go get your pieces cut and prepped. Shut off the service, lock it out, depressurize the system, and do your install. Return to service and very meticulously check for leaks. It’s not difficult at all.
If you’re careful and meticulous, it’s kinda hard to screw up. Plan plan plan ahead of time. Measure and measure again then go get your pieces cut and prepped. Shut off the service, lock it out, depressurize the system, and do your install. Return to service and very meticulously check for leaks. It’s not difficult at all.
Posted on 11/17/20 at 11:04 am to ScopeCreep
You can purchase a fitting with a pressure gauge and bike pump hookup. Gas lines run at relatively little pressure (I think it's .25 psi), and very easy to install, pressurize well above operating range and let it sit for a day to see if you lose pressure.
This post was edited on 11/17/20 at 11:06 am
Posted on 11/17/20 at 11:29 am to lsujro
because I'm bored and have nothing better to do than to add fuel to the pissing match fire.
Probably the more applicable portion of the code:
Probably the more applicable portion of the code:
quote:
111.24 - WORK BY OTHER THAN GASFITTERS
No person, firm or corporation, erecting, repairing, or altering buildings, erecting signs, altering, changing, installing, plumbing or engaged in other work shall close in, conceal, cut, break, destroy, disconnect or in other manner interfere with the arrangements of any gas piping or gas appliances whether inside or outside of a building or premises without receiving a permit from the Director.
Before the permit will be issued, the person, firm or corporation shall serve the Director with a written notice at least forty-eight (48) hours before the contemplated work is to be commenced.
The work of altering, changing or disconnecting the gas piping or gas appliances must be done under the supervision of a certified Class "A" Master Gasfitter; in addition, this existing installation must be inspected by the Director before he issues the permit.
Posted on 11/17/20 at 11:39 am to lsujro
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dude are you serious?
Yes.
I assume the code (and its requirements) applies to everyone given this section:
quote:pg 5-6 of the link I provided earlier.
101.4 - Intent. The purpose of this code is to provide minimum standards to safeguard the public health, safety and general welfare by regulating and controlling the design, construction, installation, quality of materials, location, operation and maintenance or use of fuel gas distribution piping and equipment, fuel gas-fired appliances and fuel gas-fired appliance venting systems.
IF the purpose of the code/amendments is to safeguard the public, it's reasonable to conclude that it applies to EVERYONE and not just businesses. I say that because if they want to regulate BUSINESSES/TRADESMEN who are experienced in performing the work, they ALMOST CERTAINLY apply to a homeowner who wants to perform the work themselves.
I also found this bit from building permits PDF/pamphlet from the City of New Orleans:
PDF LINK
quote:
What other permits may be necessary
from Safety & Permits?
. . . .
Mechanical - If you plan to install, repair, replace, or alter any mechanical or gas-fired apparatus or equipment, such as air conditioning systems, electric or gas heaters, electric or gas furnaces or heaters, gas lines, or elevators. This requires permits to be applied for only by the appropriate City-licensed contractor.
That certainly seems to imply that you MUST use a city licensed contractor to perform the permitted work.
But hey, if you doubt me that much, feel free to contact the City of New Orleans Department of Safety and Permits and ask them. I'll gladly admit that I was wrong if you get told that someone can just install their own gas lines.
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Puffoluffagus
Quite relevant section there. Thank you.
This post was edited on 11/17/20 at 11:42 am
Posted on 11/17/20 at 1:44 pm to Puffoluffagus
quote:this is an actually relevant code provision. I never argued that the code does/does not require the guy to hire a contractor, just that provision originally cited doesn't require it. The "intent of the code" argument is the same bs. It is common for muni codes to have differing standards and requirements for individuals vs commercial service providers. Glad somebody found a relevant code provision for the op that isn't just based on dubious inferences.
Puffoluffagus
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