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Milorganite usage
Posted on 4/21/20 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 4/21/20 at 1:54 pm
I'm gonna pick up a few bags for my lawn, but I'm wondering about other applications.
Can I add it to my beds instead of Miracle grow all purpose?
What about my Japanese Yews? Will it make them grow faster, thicker, healthier?
Can I add it to my beds instead of Miracle grow all purpose?
What about my Japanese Yews? Will it make them grow faster, thicker, healthier?
Posted on 4/21/20 at 4:42 pm to bayoubengals88
Milorganite works best to supplement regular synthetic fertilizers not replace. It works great for plant material you don’t want to grow too large but want the plant to remain healthy. I use it for azaleas that always need to be shaped and ground covers like liriope. It would be beneficial to the yew in addition to a time release granular fertilizer
Posted on 4/21/20 at 5:10 pm to Daponch
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Milorganite works best to supplement regular synthetic fertilizers not replace. It works great for plant material you don’t want to grow too large but want the plant to remain healthy. I use it for azaleas that always need to be shaped and ground covers like liriope. It would be beneficial to the yew in addition to a time release granular fertilizer
Synthetic fertilizers are not required. I gave up synthetic fertilizers a few years back and my yard is better than anything I have had in 15+ years right now.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 10:40 pm to bayoubengals88
Milorganite is made for lawns. It’s a great way to keep centipede/st aug green without over ferting (I expect new research to change the old way of thinking about over ferting). Milorganite is low in N so fast growth isn’t its thing.
I miracle gro my flowers and trip 13 my trees/shrubs.
I miracle gro my flowers and trip 13 my trees/shrubs.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 10:47 am to ronk
I just read a review on a big box store's website and "Fred" had this to say about Milorganite...
"January 25, 2020
Milorganite is one of those products where the buyer should compare the label on the bag to the Safety Data Sheet. It is labeled as containing organic matter, but it is not organic. It is human feces, along with all the medications, and chemicals we use in our daily lives. Anything that is flushed or washed down a drain is treated with bacteria, then sold to unsuspecting customers for a profit. Their testing process does not include thousands of substances that are highly toxic. It is unsafe for waterways. It will leave your soil toxic and lifeless over time. By comparison, organic products will feed and build up the soil."
Is this true?
"January 25, 2020
Milorganite is one of those products where the buyer should compare the label on the bag to the Safety Data Sheet. It is labeled as containing organic matter, but it is not organic. It is human feces, along with all the medications, and chemicals we use in our daily lives. Anything that is flushed or washed down a drain is treated with bacteria, then sold to unsuspecting customers for a profit. Their testing process does not include thousands of substances that are highly toxic. It is unsafe for waterways. It will leave your soil toxic and lifeless over time. By comparison, organic products will feed and build up the soil."
Is this true?
Posted on 4/23/20 at 10:49 am to Crusty
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Is this true?
It's not wrong.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 11:00 am to Crusty
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I just read a review on a big box store's website and "Fred" had this to say about Milorganite...
"January 25, 2020
Milorganite is one of those products where the buyer should compare the label on the bag to the Safety Data Sheet. It is labeled as containing organic matter, but it is not organic. It is human feces, along with all the medications, and chemicals we use in our daily lives. Anything that is flushed or washed down a drain is treated with bacteria, then sold to unsuspecting customers for a profit. Their testing process does not include thousands of substances that are highly toxic. It is unsafe for waterways. It will leave your soil toxic and lifeless over time. By comparison, organic products will feed and build up the soil
When it comes to lawn care, I ask myself "Would Hank Hill put this on his lawn?"
Regarding milorganite, I think the answer is no. So I just use Scott's Turfbuilder like God intended.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 11:28 am to Crusty
This is from Iowa State 1996:
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One of the most hazardous of the toxic metals found in fertilizers like Milorganite is lead. It’s poisonous in all forms and its health effects are cumulative and potentially severe. Children and their developing brains and nervous systems are especially vulnerable to the metal’s warping punch.
"If you consistently spread Milorganite on your garden plot, you’re going to end up with a lot more lead in the soil," says Dr. Stan Tackett, who specializes in analytical chemistry. He earned his Ph.D. at Ohio State and recently retired from the faculty at Indiana University in Pennsylvania. He’s had a long and keen interest in lead pollution, published academic papers on lead contamination and appeared as a expert witness at trials on the subject.
Milorganite, according to Tackett, contains lead levels nine times greater than what’s found in uncontaminated soil. He’s especially troubled by conflicting policies at the EPA. The agency that once worked so hard to remove lead from gasoline because of its human health impacts, he says, now seems intent on pumping lead back into the soil via sludge farming. When lead eventually combines with water in the soil, Tackett explains, plants tissues will absorb the metal.
Would he advise people not to use Milorganite? Tackett says yes. "The amount of plant (fertilizer) nutrients, "Tackett adds," are very, very low. Why on earth would you want to even think about spreading industrial wastes on your land?"
Crawford, parrying like a pit bull, attacks Tackett’s concerns. " He is pretending, because of his stature as a Ph.D. Emeritus, that he knows what he’s talking about and he’s talking about good science. He’s not talking about good science. If he wrote his views up in a scientific journal and would be peer-reviewed, he’s get ripped to shreds. I promise you that."
Crawford and Rubin both mention that the EPA’s risk analysis for sludge included an extreme scenario where a mythical child actually ate soil containing the stuff with out developing any health effects. "I hate to sound like those morons from the nuclear power industry that used to say plutonium could be safely put on your breakfast cereal," says Crawford. "We’re really saying it tongue in check that Milorganite is safe enough to eat, though we certainly don’t recommend it and it’s not tasty."
"One of the big problems I see with his scheme," responds Tackett, " is that 11 to 12 percent of the nation’s children, according to the Center for Disease Control, already have a blood level of lead at a danger level. They can’t stand even a tiny amount of additional lead into their system." Tackett insists that medical and clinical experts have not challenged his views on lead in sludge. "The people who object the most are those who support the beneficial use of sludge," he asserts.
One sludge contaminant that the EPA’s regulatory rewrite chose not to consider is dioxin. "Dioxin is the most hazardous poison ever studied by the EPA," says Mike Drescher, research associate for the Citizens Clearinghouse on Hazardous Waste. The group grew out of America’s most infamous dioxin disaster, Love Canal, Agent Orange, the deadly herbicide used in Vietnam, was also laced with dioxin and takes the blame for numerous physical ailments suffered by the war’s veterans.
At higher exposure levels, Drescher explains, dioxin causes cancer; at lower levels, the effects include immune system disorders, kidney damage, bizarre skin rashes and chemical sensitivity reactions. Incredibly tiny amounts of dioxin, levels on the order of 13 to 20 parts per trillion, can cause health effects. The human body stores dioxin in fatty tissues and it’s the buildup of the toxin over time that poses problems.
Minute amounts of dioxin, between 1 and 2 parts per trillion, appear on Milorganite’s sampling analyses. Still, Drescher advises against spreading products known to contain dioxin directly on food crops or even on pastures where animals may absorb them.
Crawford indicates that he’s unsure where the dioxin in Milorganite comes from, but Drescher thinks the heating process used for drying the sludge and killing disease-carrying bugs could be a source. Temperatures near 400 F are known to spawn dioxin when they scar industrial pollutants like PVCs. Milorganite’s drying ovens range as high as 800 F.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 12:12 pm to bayoubengals88
Wow, I was under the impression that Milorganite was the next coming after reading this board. I thought it was completely safe to put on your yard as much as you want. Now, I think I'll pass.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 2:20 pm to Crusty
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I just read a review on a big box store's website and "Fred" had this to say about Milorganite...
"January 25, 2020
Milorganite is one of those products where the buyer should compare the label on the bag to the Safety Data Sheet. It is labeled as containing organic matter, but it is not organic. It is human feces, along with all the medications, and chemicals we use in our daily lives. Anything that is flushed or washed down a drain is treated with bacteria, then sold to unsuspecting customers for a profit. Their testing process does not include thousands of substances that are highly toxic. It is unsafe for waterways. It will leave your soil toxic and lifeless over time. By comparison, organic products will feed and build up the soil."
Is this true?
It is half true. It is no more toxic than your tap water. That leads to a whole other debate.
What is the undeniable good parts:
-It adds organic matter to your soil.
-It provides nitrogen among other beneficial nutrients that synthetic fertilizer does not
The person writing that review does not fully understand the processing of the waste used to create milorganite. It isn't necessarily a "great" idea to put on gardens for food consumption because there may be trace elements of drugs present.
There is no reason to not use it on grass. It is safe for waterways as far as toxicity. It isn't all that safe for waterways because nitrogen of any type in large amounts getting into water can lead to algae bloom which is not good.
EDIT: As for as that Iowa State research, keep in mind Milorganite does not "insert" the elements in question into the fertilizer. The sources of the elements are a wholly different issue that has to be addressed in other ways.
There are also many other milorganite alternatives out there made in the exact same way but in other locations. Due to this, they may or may not have less issues with specific metals or elements. Every wastewater location will have different issues.
This post was edited on 4/23/20 at 2:29 pm
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