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MSM Turf vs. Celsius
Posted on 9/15/20 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 9/15/20 at 12:56 pm
I see these 2 herbicides mentioned the most on here. I already own MSM and was wondering if having Celsius on hand is needed. It's not cheap obviously, so what would I gain with having Celsius that MSM doesn't already kill?
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Posted on 9/15/20 at 2:23 pm to zeto
There are are some problematic weeds like Doveweed and green kyllinga, carpetweed as well, that Celsius will control that MSM won’t, no doubt others. I started out with MSM, still use it, but bought Celsius largely to control Doveweed but use it for other weeds as well, but I didn’t buy it until I needed it to control weeds that MSM Turf would not control.
The upfront price is high, but a bottle will last as long as 5 years - this is year 3 on my bottle and I’ve use a little more than half. I think it is about $105 at Site One in BR. So in my mind the cost is $20 per year - a whole lot less than I pay for fertilizer, pre-emergent herbicides, etc. Of course the MSM lasts a good while as well.
The upfront price is high, but a bottle will last as long as 5 years - this is year 3 on my bottle and I’ve use a little more than half. I think it is about $105 at Site One in BR. So in my mind the cost is $20 per year - a whole lot less than I pay for fertilizer, pre-emergent herbicides, etc. Of course the MSM lasts a good while as well.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 2:50 pm to CrawDude
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The upfront price is high, but a bottle will last as long as 5 years
Shelf life is only 3 years, ftr. Im sure it could last longer, but its expensive shite. I usually split bottles with people
Posted on 9/15/20 at 4:32 pm to CrawDude
I have both in my arsenal. Can they be mixed?
Posted on 9/15/20 at 4:54 pm to ksdolfan
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I have both in my arsenal. Can they be mixed?
According to ronk, yes they can, and in fact here is his quote on mixing the two from a thread I bookmarked from a month ago
“ For a full 4 gallon backpack it is 3.8 grams of MSM and .51 ounces of Celsius. There are 3 main weeds where the combo is better than the stand alone product: VBW, lespedeza, and spurge. It is not a combo I mix often but if I've treated something and it just keeps hanging on or sections of the weed are starting to regrow then I use the combo.”
Posted on 9/15/20 at 5:04 pm to NYCAuburn
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Shelf life is only 3 years, ftr. Im sure it could last longer, but its expensive shite. I usually split bottles with people
Well according to “Do It Yourself Pest Control” you are correct - they recommend 3 years, but I’ll guess I’ll find next year as I’ll go into year 4 on my bottle. I do keep mine inside under controlled conditions to help preserve shelf life. Even using 3 years, $35 per year cost is still an effective cost for a top of the line selective herbicide.
Splitting bottles with others is also a good idea.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 5:08 pm to CrawDude
That is correct. I started mixing these together back when I lived in Baton Rouge. Dr Ron Strahan suggested I use it when I was trying to get rid of lespedeza and it just wouldn't go away.
The 3 years thing with Celsius is really because Bayer had to put something on the bottle. It should last longer than that.
The 3 years thing with Celsius is really because Bayer had to put something on the bottle. It should last longer than that.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 8:25 am to ronk
and date on the bottle is manufacture date not expiration
Posted on 9/16/20 at 9:20 am to ronk
Celsius doesn’t seem to be doing well on my lespedeza. It smokes my VBW, whereas I had poor performance from MSM.
Posted on 9/16/20 at 10:19 am to turkish
Try Celsius and MSM combined on lespedeza.
Posted on 9/18/20 at 5:54 pm to ronk
Will MSM take care of Nutsedge? I know Sedgehammer will but I have some (a lot) mixed with new Bermuda growth. The MSM is supposedly safer for the new growth and I already have it.
Posted on 9/18/20 at 6:21 pm to LSUtigerME
It won’t. I add sedgehammer to MSM
Posted on 9/18/20 at 6:36 pm to ronk
Where can I buy MSM in BR
Posted on 9/18/20 at 7:07 pm to BHS78
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Where can I buy MSM in BR
Cleggs on Siegen, Site One Landscape Supply, Woener Sod, Plant Tech (I think)
Posted on 9/19/20 at 2:12 am to zeto
I would replace both of them with fahrenheit and Certainty. These two should get rid of almost every weed besides dallisgrass
Posted on 9/19/20 at 7:51 am to ronk
With this combo you're talking about, do you simply spot treat or is it a broadcast spray over entire lawn?
Posted on 9/19/20 at 10:45 am to CenlaLowell
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These two should get rid of almost every weed besides dallisgrass
What gets rid of dallisgrass?
Posted on 10/8/20 at 7:47 am to RealityTiger
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With this combo you're talking about, do you simply spot treat or is it a broadcast spray over entire lawn?
Bump for this answer. Anyone?
And can anyone recommend a 4 gallon backpack sprayer? Any one better than others?
This post was edited on 10/8/20 at 7:48 am
Posted on 10/8/20 at 8:01 am to GRIZZ
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What gets rid of dallisgrass?
I use MSMA and Image on our athletic fields with good results
Posted on 10/8/20 at 8:06 am to TigeRoots
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And can anyone recommend a 4 gallon backpack sprayer? Any one better than others?
Had a pro series (not sure of maker) which was awesome for years before it started leaking , you could adjust spray easily . Bought a Solo sprayer ..... sucks arse. Have to get separate tips to adjust spray ..... doesn’t pump well
This post was edited on 10/8/20 at 8:20 am
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