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Natural Gas vs. Propane

Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:12 pm
Posted by RotorheadTiger
Central, LA
Member since Mar 2007
1077 posts
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:12 pm
Bought a lot up around Natchitoches with the intent of building a house there. We were told Natural gas was available to the lot, but it turns out it’s going to cost around $10K to run a gas line from the main road to our lot (don’t get me started). We could run the house on Propane but I just don’t have any experience with it.

We’d like to run two water heaters, a stove, a home generator, and heat about 2700 square feet.

Run the gas line and eat that cost or go with propane?
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 9:15 pm
Posted by TU Rob
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2008
13128 posts
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:35 pm to
When you say home generator, is that just when electrical power is out? My great grandparents had a big propane tank out in their yard for hot water and a gas stove. Can’t remember if they also had a gas furnace. They did have a gas wall heater, since it was an old farm house, but don’t think they had central heat.

Also my aunt has a tank to run gas logs and a range. Has it filled about once a year. I think she even switched her water heater to gas when the electric one died. I guess it just comes down to what refills cost and how long you plan on being there. If a long time it might be more costly but more convenient to go ahead and run the line.
Posted by RotorheadTiger
Central, LA
Member since Mar 2007
1077 posts
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:57 pm to
quote:

When you say home generator, is that just when electrical power is out?


Yes, just during power outages.
Posted by Unobtanium
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2009
1818 posts
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:08 pm to
I am faced with same issue if/when I build. Here's my thought process:

1. Do a rough count on appliance demand. You should be able to get BTU/hr ratings on everything except the generators. Also factor in hours used per day.

2. Liquid propane produces about 96,000 BTU's per gallon

3. If your calc's in step 1 result in, say, a demand of 100,000 BTU/day, then your demand is about 1 gallon/day.

4. Your propane consumption will dictate the tank size; tank prices are listed here

You will generally pay more for a BTU of heat from propane versus natural gas. But a $10k up front cost for gas will help level the field.
Posted by boudinman
Member since Nov 2019
6101 posts
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:53 pm to
Yearly rental on a 1,000 gallon propane tank from a propane gas company would suffice. Fill during summer months as often as possible. Much cheaper.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5596 posts
Posted on 8/5/21 at 12:07 am to
There are some on-line calculators you can play with to compare natural gas vs propane. Here is a simple one LINK. Using some of the info you provided and plugging it in this calculator looks like you could save as much as $1200 per year using natural gas, giving you a break-even period of about 8 years if you paid the $10K upfront to run a natural gas line. How long do you plan to live in this house?

No doubt there are some more detailed calculators you can play with to dial it with greater accuracy but it seems to me the key is length of time you plan to live in the house.

I have a friend in Boyce LA who lost power for 2 weeks last year during Hurricane Laura. He is all propane and had a whole house generator with a 500 gal tank - he had to fill it 4 times, as I recall, during that 2 week period. He was out of power at one point for 1 or 2 days waiting for the propane truck to refill him as demand for propane was so high. So you might want to consider that factor as well.
Posted by BallsEleven
Member since Mar 2019
6163 posts
Posted on 8/5/21 at 5:16 am to
quote:

home generator


If it wasn’t for this, I’d lean towards propane.

A standby generator will eat through some propane real quick. It sucks that it costs that much to run the line but it will be worth it in the end and you won’t have to worry about scheduling refills.
Posted by footballdude
BR
Member since Sep 2010
1107 posts
Posted on 8/5/21 at 7:42 am to
For a 2700 sq ft house, you would probably want 2 propane tanks in the yard with 1 dedicated to the generator.

Paying the $10k should help the resale value if you ever sell.

If you are a BAW or prepper type go with 2 propane tanks in the yard, then you control your own destiny. Just keep in mind that there will be more work for you.

If you are normal type, go with the $10k gas line. Less for you to worry about.
Posted by BlackPot
Member since Oct 2016
2365 posts
Posted on 8/5/21 at 8:31 am to
What's the cost of getting a large enough tank out to your house and buried? Or will you leave it exposed? I think in the grand scheme of things, natural gas line would be nicer and easier. Not having to worry about a truck coming fill the tank. Also for resale, it may look better on paper.
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
33869 posts
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:05 am to
quote:

A standby generator will eat through some propane real quick.


This!! We don’t have gas on our road, so I looked into propane. The tank and filling it is expensive!

Also, a 500 gal tank will only run the generator for 5 days. That for whole home 2500sqft home.
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
13471 posts
Posted on 8/5/21 at 9:46 am to
That generator is going to suck the propane real quick at a time when you most want/need it and getting it refilled could be nearly impossible.

Unless the 10,000 is impossible, this is an easy decision.
Posted by shoestring
Member since Nov 2012
332 posts
Posted on 8/5/21 at 6:54 pm to
My 330 gallon tank ran my 22kw generac for 5 days or about 50 gallons a day. we did shut it down for a cool off and maintenence daily but ran our whole house otherwise. I now have 2 so it can go 10 days without filling. You should also consider that everyone in our area lost natural gas pressure during our recent freeze, as did much of Texas. Standby generators were not able to run at that low pressure. With your own 1000 gallon tank you would be good for 24 days at least.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
19959 posts
Posted on 8/6/21 at 9:25 pm to
Many propane dealers will also give you a better price of you have 1000 gallons of more of storage capacity.

In an emergency, you know you will have propane available but limited quantity. With natural gas you don't know that you will have it but if you do you will have unlimited amount.
Posted by DeCat ODahouse
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2017
1489 posts
Posted on 8/6/21 at 11:46 pm to
quote:

You should also consider that everyone in our area lost natural gas pressure during our recent freeze, as did much of Texas. Standby generators were not able to run at that low pressure.


The fact that natural gas delivery can be impacted due to a spike in demand seems very under reported.
Posted by indytiger
baton rouge/indy
Member since Oct 2004
10114 posts
Posted on 8/10/21 at 3:09 am to
I've been looking into getting a large propane tank at the house for a generator. Here's what I've found:

Just like every other product in this country right now, tanks are hard to come by. A lot of propane companies don't have 250's and 500's in stock.

You can either rent or buy a tank. For reference, for me to rent a 250 in Hammond, and have it installed and filled, would cost roughly $1300. To buy a 500 and have it installed and filled, $3-4k. You can bury a bought tank, but a rented tank must stay above ground. A rented tank is maintained by the propane company.

If I had the option of paying $10k to run natural gas, I definitely would. Unfortunately it would cost me $40k to have it run to my house.
Posted by shoestring
Member since Nov 2012
332 posts
Posted on 8/10/21 at 7:48 pm to
many dealers sale refurbished propane tanks also
Posted by LSUtigerME
Walker, LA
Member since Oct 2012
3890 posts
Posted on 8/10/21 at 8:25 pm to
Run the gas line.

$10k in the grand scheme of building a house is nothing and well worth it.

I’d suggest even saving on the generator now and offsetting the run the line. Add the generator later if necessary.

In Natchitoches, what’s the driver for the generator? Hurricanes shouldn’t be too bad up there, and it’s not really far enough north for heavy freezes.
Posted by RotorheadTiger
Central, LA
Member since Mar 2007
1077 posts
Posted on 8/10/21 at 11:00 pm to
quote:

In Natchitoches, what’s the driver for the generator? Hurricanes shouldn’t be too bad up there, and it’s not really far enough north for heavy freezes.


Got family up there, they had the remnants of two big storms come through there over the last year. Plus the freeze hit them fairly hard. All three times, they were without power multiple days.
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