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P-Trap question for running AC drain line across the crawlspace

Posted on 9/3/19 at 2:25 pm
Posted by glorymanutdtiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 9/3/19 at 2:25 pm


Current drain connection


My current AC drains under my house straight. The line coming out of AC has a T with one side open for vent and the other goes straight down to crawlspace.

I'm thinking of running a PVC from under the crawlspace to outside the house to prevent moisture sitting under the sub floors.

Do I need to connect the AC drain line and the PVC I'm running across the crawlspace with a P-trap and a vent?

I uploaded a pic of my situation if that helps. How would you connect the two pipes in dotted box.

Any help is appreciated
This post was edited on 9/3/19 at 5:31 pm
Posted by fishfighter
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Posted on 9/3/19 at 2:29 pm to
Should self vent unless the drain pan gets plugged up. To help, do have a good drop/sloop. No P trap needed.
Posted by glorymanutdtiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2012
4116 posts
Posted on 9/3/19 at 2:35 pm to
So just connect it with T and slope the PVC downwards with 1/4inch per foot to let gravity take over.

Is there any reason to be worried about AC sucking in air or anything
This post was edited on 9/3/19 at 3:07 pm
Posted by JusTrollin
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 9/3/19 at 3:11 pm to
Yes it will suck air without water trap, dont do this.
Posted by fishfighter
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Posted on 9/3/19 at 3:37 pm to
By any chance, did you see a ptrap next to the unit inside?
Posted by glorymanutdtiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2012
4116 posts
Posted on 9/3/19 at 3:54 pm to
It's not exactly a P-trap. He had a vent. I uploaded the pic in my post with my drawing
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 9/3/19 at 4:05 pm to
It's my understanding the evap has a negative pressure and requires a p trap to properly drain.

Mine has a p at the pan (with open riser/vent) and a p where it dumps into the vent stack.
This post was edited on 9/3/19 at 4:07 pm
Posted by glorymanutdtiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2012
4116 posts
Posted on 9/3/19 at 4:15 pm to


This is the current pic and it drains straight under the house
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5595 posts
Posted on 9/3/19 at 5:33 pm to
From what I have read it depends on where your evaporator coil is located relative to the blower, before or after, inside the air handler as to whether you have negative or positive pressure, and dictates whether or not you need a P-Trap. If the coil is under positive pressure it is not needed, if under negative pressure you should have one.

If you have paperwork on your HVAC air handler system, or can look it up on-line, the instructions on installation should tell whether or not you need a P-trap. If the system doesn’t currently have a P-Trap one would assume you don’t need one, but HVAC techs don’t always install things properly so there is that to consider.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
37462 posts
Posted on 9/3/19 at 7:38 pm to
quote:

From what I have read it depends on where your evaporator coil is located relative to the blower, before or after, inside the air handler as to whether you have negative or positive pressure, and dictates whether or not you need a P-Trap. If the coil is under positive pressure it is not needed, if under negative pressure you should have one.

If you have paperwork on your HVAC air handler system, or can look it up on-line, the instructions on installation should tell whether or not you need a P-trap. If the system doesn’t currently have a P-Trap one would assume you don’t need one, but HVAC techs don’t always install things properly so there is that to consider.





OP, this is as good advice as you'll get. Based on what you said, it appears you are not draining into any sort of sewerage drain or vent. In the event you would be, then you would want a trap regardless of the air handler pressure.

Posted by glorymanutdtiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2012
4116 posts
Posted on 9/3/19 at 8:16 pm to
Will a double p trap hurt too?
Posted by Lakehog
Member since Mar 2019
17 posts
Posted on 9/3/19 at 8:47 pm to
Put a trap in it it will help prevent drain issues.You will need to make sure you clean your drain each year because the trap will hold water and develop blockages if not cleaned.I would put a 1/4 cup of vinegar down the vent every month in the summer.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
37462 posts
Posted on 9/3/19 at 8:48 pm to
quote:

Will a double p trap hurt too?

not recommended, the potential for air getting trapped between the traps and causing what is essentially a vapor lock. If you have two traps, however, you would need to vent between the two traps, better just to avoid that if possible.
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 9/3/19 at 9:16 pm to
quote:

Should self vent unless the drain pan gets plugged up. To help, do have a good drop/sloop. No P trap needed.


My drain line has been the same configuration for almost 30 years now. Straight drain from the A/C on the second floor, through the floor into my woodworking shop and over to a drain to carry the condensation water away.

They only thing I do is when the unit is in use, I'll pour a cup of bleach into the drain line near the unit to keep it clear. Only once in all the years I've had this has it clogged up enough to overflow and I caught it early and used the bleach to clear it.
This post was edited on 9/3/19 at 9:17 pm
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5595 posts
Posted on 9/4/19 at 10:48 am to
quote:

From what I have read it depends on where your evaporator coil is located relative to the blower, before or after, inside the air handler as to whether you have negative or positive pressure, and dictates whether or not you need a P-Trap. If the coil is under positive pressure it is not needed, if under negative pressure you should have one.


OP to add to my post above, this P Trap issue had me me curious b/c my HVAC condensate line does not have a P-trap so I did some additional reading.

If your evaporator coil in the air handler is located on the supply side of the system - meaning you have in the air handler the blower motor closest to return plenum, then the furnace/ heat exchanger, then the evaporator coil then your supply plenum, in that order, then you have a positive pressure system (return air is blown across the evaporator coil) and you do not need a P-Trap - that how my system is setup and if you have a natural gas furnace that is most likely how your system is set up but you can easily check this yourself. Techs set up system in this manner to prevent moisture from the evaporator coil from being blown across the furnace and causing it to rust.

In many areas without a gas heater in the air handler, they will place the evaporator coil in the air handler closet to the return plenum, then the air blower and then the supply plenum, in that order, that is a negative pressure system (return air is pulled across the evap coil) and those condensate lines do require a P-Trap.

As others have mentioned make sure you have sufficient slope on your extended drain line and put bleach in once or twice a clear to prevent “slime” from clogging it up.

Depending on the size of your HVAC it can easily discharge several plus gallons or more of condensate water per day during the summer so I would not discharge it into a landscape bed with plants - that’s too much water on a daily basis.
Posted by glorymanutdtiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2012
4116 posts
Posted on 9/4/19 at 11:32 am to
my system is same as yours. We have a natural gas furnace.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5595 posts
Posted on 9/4/19 at 1:12 pm to
quote:

my system is same as yours. We have a natural gas furnace.

Then looks like you don’t need a P Trap with your condensate line extension and your photo shows you are already vented so no additional venting required. This should help with removing at least several gallon of water per day underneath your home.
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