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Replacing a gas fireplace key valve question
Posted on 12/21/21 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 12/21/21 at 5:07 pm
I have a bad fireplace key valve that needs replaced and unfortunately its a somewhat rare valve that won't be in for awhile. Its also a 90 degree angle valve and in a fairly tight spot to get to inside of the faux chimney.
I would like to just replace it with a standard gas ball valve and some flexible pipe. Is there any reason not to do this? A key valve is just a method of hiding a valve right? It doesn't serve any other purpose and is most just a more cosmetically appealing valve?
I would like to just replace it with a standard gas ball valve and some flexible pipe. Is there any reason not to do this? A key valve is just a method of hiding a valve right? It doesn't serve any other purpose and is most just a more cosmetically appealing valve?
Posted on 12/21/21 at 6:04 pm to baldona
its a code violation to have a flex pipe in an inaccessible location like inside a wall and will void your home insurance in case of a fire or gas accident.
as far as the valve replacement, i would assume it has to be unscrewed from the fireplace side and then slid out of the way so you can unscrew the valve.
call a plumber that does gas lines out to do it, its what they do, and then you can discuss what your different options are if you have any.
maybe he can relocate it to a better place for you to access
as far as the valve replacement, i would assume it has to be unscrewed from the fireplace side and then slid out of the way so you can unscrew the valve.
call a plumber that does gas lines out to do it, its what they do, and then you can discuss what your different options are if you have any.
maybe he can relocate it to a better place for you to access
This post was edited on 12/21/21 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 12/21/21 at 7:51 pm to keakar
Interesting. My plan is to have an access panel that’s about 1’x1’ for the valve and flex pipe. Maybe slightly bigger.
I’ve had a plumber out already. The valve was leaking and I couldn’t figure it out. Plumber is involved but busy and fairly clueless to be honest. Plumbers are fine for following directions and fixing current issues, but my experience with them solving new problems is less than great.
The plumber was supposed to order the new valve but I don’t think they did. They told me February today at the earliest. I looked the part up online and it’s going to be 3-4 weeks it looks like.
We had to cut a 1’v1’ section in the side of the ‘chimney’ to access the pipe. The problem is the gas pipe splits in the chimney to the fireplace and then to the 2nd story water heater straight up. So I’m not convinced they will even be able to replace the current valve without some fairly major additional demo.
That’s why I think some flex pipe with a different valve that allowed some flexibility in the repair would be ideal. Not sure what the code requirement on access will be though?
I’ve had a plumber out already. The valve was leaking and I couldn’t figure it out. Plumber is involved but busy and fairly clueless to be honest. Plumbers are fine for following directions and fixing current issues, but my experience with them solving new problems is less than great.
The plumber was supposed to order the new valve but I don’t think they did. They told me February today at the earliest. I looked the part up online and it’s going to be 3-4 weeks it looks like.
We had to cut a 1’v1’ section in the side of the ‘chimney’ to access the pipe. The problem is the gas pipe splits in the chimney to the fireplace and then to the 2nd story water heater straight up. So I’m not convinced they will even be able to replace the current valve without some fairly major additional demo.
That’s why I think some flex pipe with a different valve that allowed some flexibility in the repair would be ideal. Not sure what the code requirement on access will be though?
Posted on 12/26/21 at 10:06 am to baldona
You can do it, but yes it’s a code violation. You might not be liable now but if you sell the house you’ll have to correct it. I’d do it correct the first time or hire a plumber
Posted on 12/26/21 at 11:13 am to Gorilla Ball
The minute a future buyer sends his Home Inspector ....be ready to have it done right. Your future buyer cannot get a mortgage or insurance with that noose around their neck.
Plumber you used has a problem? Locate a plumbing company that does both or better yet, find a fireplace company that installs gas fireplaces. They'll have someone that specializes in gas.
Plumber you used has a problem? Locate a plumbing company that does both or better yet, find a fireplace company that installs gas fireplaces. They'll have someone that specializes in gas.
Posted on 12/26/21 at 11:30 am to bluedragon
Uhh sorry to disagree. But a code violation will not affect the mortgage. The mortgage company doesn’t review the inspection reports
Posted on 12/26/21 at 4:28 pm to Gorilla Ball
Banks require a Home Inspection. Those inspections are read. In most cases they affect something the owner and buyer need to negotiate and don't have an impact on the risk.
Code violations regarding Gas, Electric and Plumbing ....especially home owner created violations require notice that the mortgage company takes into account because it may affect the risk they about to take on.
After hundreds of inspections I've conducted....there a small percentage of things I've discovered along the way that caused loans to be declined.
Banks don't read the inspections ....I've had Bank Loan mangers call and tell me they need clarification on a note before a loan was processed.
The biggest hit on one of my inspections? I received a recall notice on Square D Circuit Breakers on evening. A year warranty inspection was conducted the following morning. When I pulled the panel on the circuit box and checked the wiring and the circuit breaker numbers every breaker in the panel was in the notice. The breakers would not trip. Foreman was called, he and I looked at the breakers, he called the electrical contractor and realized they had 100 homes with bad breakers. We all knew the if the City Inspector was doing his job, he had the same recall notice I had and would be failing houses with those breakers.
I can't help it that most Residential Inspectors aren't worth spit. I can't help it that Bank Lenders put the new owner at risk because they don't read. A home fix that violated code intentionally is not worth risking your families lives over.
The banks and Realtors I worked with wanted precise inspections not half assed.
Code violations regarding Gas, Electric and Plumbing ....especially home owner created violations require notice that the mortgage company takes into account because it may affect the risk they about to take on.
After hundreds of inspections I've conducted....there a small percentage of things I've discovered along the way that caused loans to be declined.
Banks don't read the inspections ....I've had Bank Loan mangers call and tell me they need clarification on a note before a loan was processed.
The biggest hit on one of my inspections? I received a recall notice on Square D Circuit Breakers on evening. A year warranty inspection was conducted the following morning. When I pulled the panel on the circuit box and checked the wiring and the circuit breaker numbers every breaker in the panel was in the notice. The breakers would not trip. Foreman was called, he and I looked at the breakers, he called the electrical contractor and realized they had 100 homes with bad breakers. We all knew the if the City Inspector was doing his job, he had the same recall notice I had and would be failing houses with those breakers.
I can't help it that most Residential Inspectors aren't worth spit. I can't help it that Bank Lenders put the new owner at risk because they don't read. A home fix that violated code intentionally is not worth risking your families lives over.
The banks and Realtors I worked with wanted precise inspections not half assed.
This post was edited on 12/26/21 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 12/26/21 at 8:36 pm to bluedragon
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The minute a future buyer sends his Home Inspector ....be ready to have it done right
Your point is sound, but there’s almost 0 chance a home inspector catches this.
I’m not even sure it’s against code. An access hatch with a small length of flex pipe with a normal on off valve? What’s code? It’s accessible, so it’s not like it’s behind drywall or anything.
But no I’m not trying to Jerry rig anything, I’m just looking for other options because replacing the actual Key Valve may not be financially reasonable. I may have to add a shut off closer to the meter. I’m not eve sure what code is for that?
Posted on 12/27/21 at 9:11 am to bluedragon
It depends on the loan type. FHA for example requires an FHA type appraisal.
I’m happy for your number of inspections, I’m just saying inspections are highly encouraged. The dozen or so properties I have purchased I don’t recall the loan officer asking anything about the inspection report or does one exist.
I’m happy for your number of inspections, I’m just saying inspections are highly encouraged. The dozen or so properties I have purchased I don’t recall the loan officer asking anything about the inspection report or does one exist.
Posted on 12/27/21 at 10:01 am to Gorilla Ball
You guys are disagreeing on something that doesn’t matter. I’m not going to break code.
I’ve seen flex pipe used all the time in enclosed outdoor grills, fire places, etc that just have an access panel or cabinet door. I’m looking to do basically the same thing on the side of my fireplace that is hidden. So I don’t see why it may be against any code?
I’ve seen flex pipe used all the time in enclosed outdoor grills, fire places, etc that just have an access panel or cabinet door. I’m looking to do basically the same thing on the side of my fireplace that is hidden. So I don’t see why it may be against any code?
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