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Replacing hot water heater in attic
Posted on 7/30/23 at 11:52 am
Posted on 7/30/23 at 11:52 am
Have a hot water heater in the attic that is approximately 15 years old. We are considering going with a waterless tank. Know someone who’s tank just leaked all through the attic and ruined the ceilings and was a nightmare. Trying to prevent this. Anyone know someone who they can recommend for this?
Posted on 7/30/23 at 12:05 pm to financetiger
It should have leaked into a sheet metal pan, and drained outside thru one inch pvc.
Most of the issues as to why it didn’t is too small of a pan, and the bottom outer shell blocked the exit.
Thats why you need to intervene with your plumber. Make it clear what happens alot, and that you want a big pan. Even if you need to go to a sheet metal shop and have it made. Supply house pans are usually junk and too small.
Have your pan made ahead of time before plumber comes. Plot out in attic that your new pan will actually fit.
Some trades people especially in st tammany, are in a race to see how fast they can get in & out, and when you start specifying a large pan, they begin telling you how long they been in business. Tough sheet. This is what i want.
Most of the issues as to why it didn’t is too small of a pan, and the bottom outer shell blocked the exit.
Thats why you need to intervene with your plumber. Make it clear what happens alot, and that you want a big pan. Even if you need to go to a sheet metal shop and have it made. Supply house pans are usually junk and too small.
Have your pan made ahead of time before plumber comes. Plot out in attic that your new pan will actually fit.
Some trades people especially in st tammany, are in a race to see how fast they can get in & out, and when you start specifying a large pan, they begin telling you how long they been in business. Tough sheet. This is what i want.
This post was edited on 7/30/23 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 7/30/23 at 12:14 pm to financetiger
Damn. I'm so glad mine is in the garage. My accumulator (thermal expansion tank) developed a leak and it was trickling water down the garage floor. So damn glad it wasn't over my ceiling. Hell, I hate having the AC unit overhead.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 12:53 pm to financetiger
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We are considering going with a waterless tank. Know someone who’s tank just leaked all through the attic and ruined the ceilings and was a nightmare. Trying to prevent this.
You are aware that tankless water heater also has the potential for leaking as well, and if attic installed it will (should) have drip/overflow pan, plumbed to the outside, beneath it.
Another thing my plumber BIL pointed out to me when we changed out my two attic water heaters last year, is to periodically check the water heater drip pan for debris, particularly small pieces of attic insulation that somehow constantly find their way into the pan, and remove it, because if you do have a water heater leak that drips into the pan, the debris will clog up the drain line and cause the pan to overflow causing ceiling damage.
OP you may have good reasons for going tankless, and changing out a 15 water heater probably is a good idea (my two were nearly 30 years old) but I’m not sure that going tankless to minimize your risk of an “attic leak” is the best reason. When I changed out my two tank water heaters, I went tankless for one (bedroom wing) and tank for the other.
This post was edited on 7/30/23 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 7/30/23 at 2:19 pm to financetiger
Before you go tankless you need to research the cost to do so, over a tank.
Tankless is several thousand more.
Tankless is several thousand more.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 2:35 pm to financetiger
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Posted on 7/30/23 at 5:31 pm to financetiger
i suggest staying with tank in attic -- tankless is just not worth the cost or effort.
Wait until January to change one in attic....you or installer will be thankful.
Wait until January to change one in attic....you or installer will be thankful.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 8:28 pm to bbvdd
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Before you go tankless you need to research the cost to do so, over a tank. Tankless is several thousand more.
Really depends on the situation as that really isnt true at all across the board. 80 gallon tanked water heaters used to be common in larger homes and now they are considered ‘commercial’, the cost of a new one is about the same as a tankless unit.
Plumbing and what not costs are a different story and some of that depends on your diy ability.
Overall OP, the leak issues and water damage for a unit in an attic will always be there. You can do anything you want but the fact is water in the ceiling can always leak.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 8:45 pm to baldona
Thanks everyone! Very good information you all gave me. Appreciate you all.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 9:37 pm to financetiger
A friend had two 50 gallon tanks in the attic. We put in a tankless, with a government rebate. Not much difference in price.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 9:43 pm to financetiger
Gas tanks will work in a power failure.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 7:17 am to bbvdd
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Before you go tankless you need to research the cost to do so, over a tank.
Tankless is several thousand more.
I removed two 50-gallon tanks, and replaced with one 11-gallon per minute tankless. It's been a great investment/addition/replacement.
$4,500 all said and done. I used Atta-Boy Plumbing out of Zachary. Louis Mechanical wanted nearly $13K.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 7:50 am to Will Cover
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I removed two 50-gallon tanks, and replaced with one 11-gallon per minute tankless. It's been a great investment/addition/replacement. $4,500 all said and done. I used Atta-Boy Plumbing out of Zachary. Louis Mechanical wanted nearly $13K
I also use Sam with Atta-Boy Plumbing.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 8:40 am to Matt225
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i suggest staying with tank in attic -- tankless is just not worth the cost or effort.
Wait until January to change one in attic....you or installer will be thankful.
Then the OP will have two in the attic. One new and one that he couldn't get out the attic.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 8:47 am to financetiger
My neighbors got a tankless placed OUTSIDE on their house, near the gas gauge. They didn't insulate it at all for some odd reason, and it was completed about a week before the big freeze in 2021. It burst while they were out of town and they had to buy a new one shortly after.
8 people (parents and 6 kids) live in that house., so I imagine they moved their original water heater to an exterior tankless was because they are trying to conserve space in their already heavily occupied home. I also imagine that they got the system because it might (in theory) be easier to have 8 people take hot showers on a tankless than on an average sized water heater.
If you haven't experienced any leaks/issues with your current tank water heater setup, I don't see any reason to change it up other than just upgrade to a newer tank. Like the saying goes, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."
8 people (parents and 6 kids) live in that house., so I imagine they moved their original water heater to an exterior tankless was because they are trying to conserve space in their already heavily occupied home. I also imagine that they got the system because it might (in theory) be easier to have 8 people take hot showers on a tankless than on an average sized water heater.
If you haven't experienced any leaks/issues with your current tank water heater setup, I don't see any reason to change it up other than just upgrade to a newer tank. Like the saying goes, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."
Posted on 7/31/23 at 9:28 am to BilbeauTBaggins
AMAZON has "water detectors" about the size of cigarette pack. If it senses water it beeps and sends A text to you. I have once in each water heater pan, a/c pans, behind washer etc. Cheap insurance
This post was edited on 7/31/23 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 7/31/23 at 9:38 am to financetiger
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Have a hot water heater in the attic that is approximately 15 years old. We are considering going with a waterless tank.
Is the 15 year old water heater in the attic electric or gas?
Posted on 7/31/23 at 10:56 am to EF Hutton
Correct..
But there is no need for a plumber to install. This is something anyone can do...
Get a few buddies and a pulley system to get the water heater in and out attic
But there is no need for a plumber to install. This is something anyone can do...
Get a few buddies and a pulley system to get the water heater in and out attic
Posted on 7/31/23 at 11:28 am to bayouvette
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But there is no need for a plumber to install. This is something anyone can do...
Get a few buddies and a pulley system to get the water heater in and out attic
Careful! EF Douchon says plumbers need to eat to and we should pay a premium even if you can do it yourself
Posted on 7/31/23 at 1:10 pm to financetiger
We replaced two big, conventional water heaters in a walk-in attic with a tankless unit.
It's nice to have limitless hot water, but that tankless heater needs servicing about every 6 months to flush out calcium, change the pre-filter, etc.
I wouldn't put a tankless unit anywhere you wouldn't be comfortable working on it.
We enlarged the overflow pan and put in a battery-powered moisture alarm in the pan so we'll know the instant the tankless heater starts leaking. It's already happened once in 5 years.
ETA: beware that the internals of a tankless heater look about as complex as a jet aircraft engine, with all the maintenance issues you'd expect:

It's nice to have limitless hot water, but that tankless heater needs servicing about every 6 months to flush out calcium, change the pre-filter, etc.
I wouldn't put a tankless unit anywhere you wouldn't be comfortable working on it.
We enlarged the overflow pan and put in a battery-powered moisture alarm in the pan so we'll know the instant the tankless heater starts leaking. It's already happened once in 5 years.
ETA: beware that the internals of a tankless heater look about as complex as a jet aircraft engine, with all the maintenance issues you'd expect:

This post was edited on 7/31/23 at 1:14 pm
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