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Soft Start Pack for AC units
Posted on 6/25/24 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 6/25/24 at 2:52 pm
Does anyone have any experience with these? Apparently it allows your central AC units to start with 65-75% less current than normal, so you can use your AC with a portable generator if you back feed your box.
Apparently they also prolong the life of your compressor by limiting the hard starts.
They look to be about $200-$300 each, so seems like a good investment?
Appreciate any feedback.
Apparently they also prolong the life of your compressor by limiting the hard starts.
They look to be about $200-$300 each, so seems like a good investment?
Appreciate any feedback.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 2:55 pm to tigerbait1970
I have single stage units and they're located on my master wing side of my house (didn't have another option). They've reduced the startup noise such that the units can't be heard at all from inside the house unless you're in the master bathroom leaning against the window that's right above them.
I have a whole-house generator, but I've noticed that when our generator is running, a/c startup doesn't draw a huge load on the generator.
I have a whole-house generator, but I've noticed that when our generator is running, a/c startup doesn't draw a huge load on the generator.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 3:29 pm to tigerbait1970
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prolong the life of your compressor
This is one of the single worst claims I have ever seen.
If you need one to soften asynchronous startup currents so it will start on a weak generator or inverter, it could be useful for that. Extend life? Absolutely not. Maybe if you had a habit of running it to full temp and immediately starting and stopping it like a thousand times. I don’t think that is realistic. The insulation cares about temperature, not current. Inrush is a short enough period not to cause a lot of heat and isn’t usually applied to a hot motor anyway. Startup torque is already weak so there’s no need to soften anything mechanically. Also, your refrigerant isn’t even compressed yet at this point.
This post was edited on 6/25/24 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 6/25/24 at 3:30 pm to tigerbait1970
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Does anyone have any experience with these? Apparently it allows your central AC units to start with 65-75% less current than normal, so you can use your AC with a portable generator if you back feed your box.
Yes. Be sure to install an interlock on your breaker box and do it the right way.
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Apparently they also prolong the life of your compressor by limiting the hard starts.
Theoretically yes.
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They look to be about $200-$300 each, so seems like a good investment?
Yes
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Appreciate any feedback.
You're welcome
Search this board for "MicroAir" or "EasyStart"
ETA: Mine brings my inrush amps from 117 to 46 - 48.
This post was edited on 6/25/24 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 6/25/24 at 5:35 pm to tigerbait1970
I bought a hyper engineering soft starter for the following reasons:
It's small enough to fit inside the covered panel on the unit
I installed a interlocked generator inlet
The compressor would dip the lights when it kicked on
No more lights dipping and I can start the compressor on a 7000W run 9000W start inverter generator converted to natural gas
It's small enough to fit inside the covered panel on the unit
I installed a interlocked generator inlet
The compressor would dip the lights when it kicked on
No more lights dipping and I can start the compressor on a 7000W run 9000W start inverter generator converted to natural gas
Posted on 6/25/24 at 5:59 pm to Dallaswho
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prolong the life of your compressor
I'm a sceptic too. I'm not smart enough to say one way or another but people hype them up to be a miracle device. Past life experiences tell me there are very few miracle devices.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 6:13 pm to tigerbait1970
I have the one from micro-air and it works for reducing startup load.
They are one of the few products still made in the US by a small private company.
As to the claims of extended compressor life, I can't confirm. But it sure can't hurt. Like many, I bought it to allow my generator setup to start the outside compressor when running off-grid (yes I have a code compliant disconnect at the main to prevent backfeeding the utility).
They are one of the few products still made in the US by a small private company.
As to the claims of extended compressor life, I can't confirm. But it sure can't hurt. Like many, I bought it to allow my generator setup to start the outside compressor when running off-grid (yes I have a code compliant disconnect at the main to prevent backfeeding the utility).
Posted on 6/25/24 at 7:20 pm to tigerbait1970
Yep
4 ton
Lra Reduced from 104 to 37
Easy to install
Micro air has a thorough installation video on YouTube
4 ton
Lra Reduced from 104 to 37
Easy to install
Micro air has a thorough installation video on YouTube
Posted on 6/25/24 at 8:03 pm to tigerbait1970
I got the micro-air soft start a month ago. It was a pretty simple install.
I can now run my 4-ton unit off my 6875w/5500w generac using a 30A socket.
I can now run my 4-ton unit off my 6875w/5500w generac using a 30A socket.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 8:24 pm to Dallaswho
Here's a writeup I did years ago about the Micro Air soft starter. Been using for almost 3 years and near 30,000 starts. You gain a new respect for your compressor when you realize how many times it runs during the hot days.
LINK
I think a case could be made that it extends motor life and the article below gives some good reasoning. I think the benefits would be more apparent on an old reciprocating compressor rather than a scroll compressor since there is more inertia at play. And a larger motor with a very high LRA would benefit from a soft starter by not putting so much heat and torque on the windings of the motor getting hit. Heat is generated by current and the higher the current slapping that motor the more heat is generated.
LINK
Do I think it can considerably extend compressor life? Maybe, but I see that as more of a secondary benefit of using the soft starter. Personally, I love the unit even without considering it just for my generator. It starts very quietly, it runs quieter overall, and doesn't dim the lights in the house when it kicks on. All of those have been awesome benefits.
LINK
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Extend life? Absolutely not.
I think a case could be made that it extends motor life and the article below gives some good reasoning. I think the benefits would be more apparent on an old reciprocating compressor rather than a scroll compressor since there is more inertia at play. And a larger motor with a very high LRA would benefit from a soft starter by not putting so much heat and torque on the windings of the motor getting hit. Heat is generated by current and the higher the current slapping that motor the more heat is generated.
LINK
Do I think it can considerably extend compressor life? Maybe, but I see that as more of a secondary benefit of using the soft starter. Personally, I love the unit even without considering it just for my generator. It starts very quietly, it runs quieter overall, and doesn't dim the lights in the house when it kicks on. All of those have been awesome benefits.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 8:28 pm to Turnblad85
I would probably have one if I still had my RV and was actually running on generator or inverter power. Sold mine two years ago and never going back though.
That being said, I looked at a few and nobody will even say how they work. From looks of the circuits they:
1. Delay compressor so fan startup doesn’t happen at same time.
2. Increase winding resistance with NTC thermistors.
3. Use hard start capacitor to maintain phase shift with increased resistance. Not as counterintuitive as it sounds.
4. Switch back to normal operation(might be some logic to make sure soft start was successful.
Seems fail-safe enough. Ideally the worst thing that could happen is a normal start except for maybe the ones that completely bypass the run cap. I expected worse. I surely wouldn’t count on a prolonged life though or any significant energy savings like some of the claims.
That being said, I looked at a few and nobody will even say how they work. From looks of the circuits they:
1. Delay compressor so fan startup doesn’t happen at same time.
2. Increase winding resistance with NTC thermistors.
3. Use hard start capacitor to maintain phase shift with increased resistance. Not as counterintuitive as it sounds.
4. Switch back to normal operation(might be some logic to make sure soft start was successful.
Seems fail-safe enough. Ideally the worst thing that could happen is a normal start except for maybe the ones that completely bypass the run cap. I expected worse. I surely wouldn’t count on a prolonged life though or any significant energy savings like some of the claims.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 8:34 pm to Dallaswho
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Ideally the worst thing that could happen is a normal start except for maybe the ones that completely bypass the run cap.
I had a Micro Air unit fail and was quickly replaced by the manufacturer under warranty. I couldn't connect via bluetooth so I went outside and saw the compressor starting as if the soft starter wasn't there. So I'm not sure if it's designed to bypass during failure but that's what happened to me.
That said, the manufacturer told me the biggest enemy of these things is sunlight so I just stuck them in a simple outdoor NEMA-rated enclosure. And one of my soft starters has almost 30,000 starts on it.
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or any significant energy savings like some of the claims.
I doubt this is ever seen since the inrush is such a short duration. In theory it could save energy but in the real world it's negligible.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 10:12 pm to bapple
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You gain a new respect for your compressor when you realize how many times it runs during the hot days.
And a big reason the system designers want your unit sized to run 90% of the time when the ambient gets above 95° Fewer starts = longer life.
Posted on 6/27/24 at 2:37 pm to TheBoo
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Search this board for "MicroAir" or "EasyStart"
Can vouch for Micro-air.. Been on my 5 ton unit 3 years and no issues. Can startup on 10,000 generator. Once it starts I turn thermostat down to 55 so it won't cycle.
Posted on 6/27/24 at 3:11 pm to JDPndahizzy
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Can vouch for Micro-air.
Agree in your case. If you’re in a hurricane area and need that as a realistic possibility, then AC companies would be doing customers right by certifying brands or models in order to not void warranty.
Most modules seem like they won’t possibly do any harm even if some of the claims are outrageous.
More likely they would make their own and charge $300 plus require $300 installation to maintain it. It looks like the RV sellers are already doing this.
This post was edited on 6/27/24 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 6/28/24 at 2:46 pm to tigerbait1970
Years ago most ac units came with a soft start from the factory. As ac's became more efficient they were fazed out do to reduced draw on the newer motors. A soft start can reduce amps needed by up to 60%. The reduced amperage is stored in the soft starter. It reduces the amps needed and the duration of the start. Despite mixed opinions, HVAC repairmen use soft starters to extend the life of older units and generally believe them to extend the life of the units. As others have reported, they are very helpful when used in conjunction with generators. It plugs into the capacitor so it's like a battery boost for lack of a better analogy.
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