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Tank or Tankless Hot Water Heater
Posted on 11/3/24 at 10:46 am
Posted on 11/3/24 at 10:46 am
What would you go with and any specifics recommendations either way?
Posted on 11/3/24 at 11:10 am to gotiger
If you run out of hot water go tankless. If you don’t go tank.
It’s just me & the wife so we don’t require endless hot water. I did the math & it would take 15+ years to start saving money switching from gas tank to gas tankless. Staying w a tank was the best option for me.
It’s just me & the wife so we don’t require endless hot water. I did the math & it would take 15+ years to start saving money switching from gas tank to gas tankless. Staying w a tank was the best option for me.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 11:17 am to weadjust
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If you run out of hot water go tankless. If you don’t go tank.
pretty much this. Or if have multiple tanks and all need replacing making a single tankless more economical. Though usually multi-tank homes usually have them scattered around the house closer to where the hot water is needed.
Tankless has become a status symbol like a standby generator. Something for suburban dads to casually mention they have one at the crawfish boil.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 11:19 am to gotiger
If you have natural gas, then tankless is fine. Otherwise, I'd recommend tank.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 11:23 am to gotiger
For me, tank.
Cheap, simple, zero maintenance.
Cheap, simple, zero maintenance.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 12:07 pm to gotiger
Tankless has been a game changer for our family.
Family of four. Showers running plus dishwasher and washer? No problem.
I will say that we have gas. If I didn’t; an electric tank type would be my choice.
Family of four. Showers running plus dishwasher and washer? No problem.
I will say that we have gas. If I didn’t; an electric tank type would be my choice.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 12:14 pm to gotiger
we are fixing to renovate and swap the house over to propane so I am replacing the electric tanks with on demand tankless…one small one for eah of the two bathrooms and a larger one for the kitchen/laundry.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 12:37 pm to cgrand
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tankless…one small one for eah of the two bathrooms and a larger one for the kitchen/laundry.
Good idea to have more than one. With a new house I put one next to the master bathroom and wish I had done a second one by the kitchen/laundry.
I replaced the tank at the old house twice in 20 years since no natural gas or propane. For the new house I put in a propane tank because I'd much rather cook with gas, and for the water heater and dryer.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 12:49 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Cheap, simple, zero maintenance.
Yeah right. I drain and flush mine annually and check the annode. I also have it on a whole-house size water filter, I'll get a picture of what that filter catches and certainly don't want that crud for washing anything in.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 2:19 pm to Clames
That's all well and good, or you could just change it every 25 years or so.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 3:20 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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That's all well and good, or you could just change it every 25 years or so.
Except with the declining quality of public water systems the reality is that an un-maintained water heater of any kind can fail in as little as 8 years, even less if it's a budget model from HD or Lowes. Plus I like knowing the condition of all my major appliances so I almost never get surprised by something failing.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 3:30 pm to gotiger
My Tank just crapped out and it was cheaper to go with Tankless as Tanks have gotten really expensive. I already had NG in place so it was a simple swap, did it myself.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 5:37 pm to gotiger
I went tankless. Mine was in the attic and I did not like having 50 gallons of water above my head.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 11:23 pm to gotiger
After going from an electric tank to a gas tankless, I would go with two 50 gallon gas tank water heaters if I could do a do over.
Then again it could be my personal experience. It hasn’t operated perfectly since we got it. The plumber who installed it can’t seem to figure out why. I haven’t given up hope that this thing can perform better, but it doesn’t seem like it. It doesn’t meet our needs as a family of 4. 10 GPM unit can’t run many fixtures at one time. Even in the summer.
ETA: I've posted this in the past I believe, but there's a difference in the two that I've observed that should be noted. Tankless is better suited for never ending hot water, such as for bathrooms, and tank is better suited for quick spurts of hot water, such as the kitchen. The time it takes to ignite and warm up for a tankless can be a bit of a pain for quick kitchen uses, where a tank having hot water ready and immediately flowing in to the line when called for is better for that scenario. My tankless also has a minimum ignition flow rate of .5GPM, and a minimum constant flow rate of .4 GPM to stay running. This isn't a problem for my wife who takes hot baths and showers, but I take barely warm showers, and when I approach that minimum my tankless constantly cycles on and off. With a tank that wouldn't happen. In an ideal world, not considering the issues I've had with my tankless, I'd go tankless for the bathrooms, placed on that side of the house, and a smaller 30 gallon tank for my kitchen and laundry / utility, closer to that side of the house.
Then again it could be my personal experience. It hasn’t operated perfectly since we got it. The plumber who installed it can’t seem to figure out why. I haven’t given up hope that this thing can perform better, but it doesn’t seem like it. It doesn’t meet our needs as a family of 4. 10 GPM unit can’t run many fixtures at one time. Even in the summer.
ETA: I've posted this in the past I believe, but there's a difference in the two that I've observed that should be noted. Tankless is better suited for never ending hot water, such as for bathrooms, and tank is better suited for quick spurts of hot water, such as the kitchen. The time it takes to ignite and warm up for a tankless can be a bit of a pain for quick kitchen uses, where a tank having hot water ready and immediately flowing in to the line when called for is better for that scenario. My tankless also has a minimum ignition flow rate of .5GPM, and a minimum constant flow rate of .4 GPM to stay running. This isn't a problem for my wife who takes hot baths and showers, but I take barely warm showers, and when I approach that minimum my tankless constantly cycles on and off. With a tank that wouldn't happen. In an ideal world, not considering the issues I've had with my tankless, I'd go tankless for the bathrooms, placed on that side of the house, and a smaller 30 gallon tank for my kitchen and laundry / utility, closer to that side of the house.
This post was edited on 11/4/24 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 11/4/24 at 6:08 am to gotiger
I don’t see any advantage to a tank water heater.
Tankless is 110v so can be run off small generator, endless hot water and only uses energy when you need hot water.
Tankless is 110v so can be run off small generator, endless hot water and only uses energy when you need hot water.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 7:41 am to gotiger
Tankless. No real downside. I’m going on 6 years using one unit instead of 2 50 gal tanks and wouldn’t go back. The one downside I have ever seen is power loss if you don’t have a generator to power it.
I’ve serviced it one in 6 years with just a flush since the plumber was here doing something else.
Cost for 2 50 gal replacement for 1 tankless was virtually the same.
I’ve serviced it one in 6 years with just a flush since the plumber was here doing something else.
Cost for 2 50 gal replacement for 1 tankless was virtually the same.
This post was edited on 11/4/24 at 7:45 am
Posted on 11/4/24 at 10:41 am to zippyputt
I had a 65 gallon tanked gas water heater that was approaching 20 years old. The moron who finished my basement essentially trapped the tank in a closet, so I was unable to replace with another tanked. I would have replaced with another 65 gal tanked, if it was an option. I DIY’d a Rinnai next to the tanked and abandoned it in place.
The Rinnai has a recirculation pump, so I can control thru an app or with a wireless push button in master bath, to start circulation. I have it running on a schedule so it’s pretty close to instant hot water for morning showers. I just did the first year’s flush and it appeared pretty clean.
The Rinnai has a recirculation pump, so I can control thru an app or with a wireless push button in master bath, to start circulation. I have it running on a schedule so it’s pretty close to instant hot water for morning showers. I just did the first year’s flush and it appeared pretty clean.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 11:30 am to gotiger
Tankless is the only kind I want in my house now.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 6:05 pm to Jack Daniel
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Tankless is 110v so can be run off small generator, endless hot water and only uses energy when you need hot water.
Electric water heaters, tankless or not, are power hogs. Be prepared to get a whole-home unit or a larger generator if you want to use it during an outage.
Also of note, anyone utilizing a gas tankless water heater will lose that ability if there is power outage. There is a control board that requires 120V and will not operate without it. Plus you can have issues with pipes cracking during freezes since there is no constant heat on the water.
There are no overall solutions, only tradeoffs.
This post was edited on 11/4/24 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 11/4/24 at 6:17 pm to bapple
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Electric water heaters, tankless or not, are power hogs. Be prepared to get a whole-home unit or a larger generator if you want to use it during an outage.
fyi, In a bind, I've hooked my electric tank up to 120v on my generator and it worked. I don't remember the amp draw but it wasn't a big generator. Seems like when I looked up info on it after the fact, a website said running 120 on a 240 water heater would use 1/4th of the power and thus take 4x as long to heat the water. Not sure why it wouldn't be 1/2 but I had hot water during the Great Freeze and DGAF about how I got it.
I had a tankless electric and you're SOL if needed hot water on anything but a large generator. iirc it was a small one and it drew around 50amps. Goes to show just how much energy is needed to heat water.
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