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re: Trane vs Carrier for AC
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:57 pm to Wraytex
Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:57 pm to Wraytex
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The installer is more important than the brand. Disregard if either are coming from the same outfit.
This
And FWIW, my Trane installed in a new build lasted 12 years before requiring replacement. Avg life expectancy of a HVAC in the Deep South is 13-15 years.
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 1:01 pm to Hangit
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My Trane went out last year after 20 years. The company replacing it told me they had another brand, made by Trane in the same factory. They said all components, and the box, were the same. They said the only difference was that the wiring went in the other side of the box. It was $5300, installed, for the outside and inside units. The Thermostat it came with says Trane.
That would be American Standard, and often a good bit cheaper than the identical Trane unit.
This post was edited on 3/30/21 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 3/30/21 at 1:13 pm to CrawDude
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That would be American Standard, and often a good cheaper than the identical Trane unit.
This. My A/C guy installs American Standard and said they are a bit easier to work on than Tranes. We've had Trane in 2 houses - would recommend.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 1:14 pm to LSUvegasbombed
Trane I’ve toured the trane production facility very impressive. Been out the industry for 10 years now
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 11:43 am
Posted on 3/30/21 at 1:26 pm to Wraytex
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The installer is more important than the brand.
This is the most true statement in this thread. A Goodman unit properly installed will outlast a Trane installed by a hack.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 3:47 pm to prestigeworldwide
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This. My A/C guy installs American Standard and said they are a bit easier to work on than Tranes. We've had Trane in 2 houses - would recommend.
We installed American Standard and half the boxes said Trane on them. He said that Trane and American Standard were the same company and interchangeable parts.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 4:31 pm to TBoy
Actually Trane has been owned by American Standard since 1984.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 8:36 pm to Clames
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This is the most true statement in this thread. A Goodman unit properly installed will outlast a Trane installed by a hack.
People always say this and id love to hear some actually reasons? I’m sure there are a few, but I’m not convinced hVAC residential replacements are that difficult.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 11:04 pm to baldona
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People always say this and id love to hear some actually reasons? I’m sure there are a few, but I’m not convinced hVAC residential replacements are that difficult.
Head over to hvac-talk.com and read the horror stories from poor installations.
Improperly sized line sets, improperly cleaned line sets, undersized duct work, over sized systems, miswired t-stats, poor soldering installing coils, improper CFM settings, poor filter selection, undersized returns, improperly installed flex duct, charging at too low outdoor temps, charging in heating mode instead of cooling mode, not charging in the proper cooling stage....
All these things will severely shorten equipment life spans. Is it rocket science? No but the people doing this are not getting paid enough to be "experts" most of the time.
This post was edited on 3/30/21 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 3/30/21 at 11:31 pm to notsince98
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notsince98
Spot on.
I suspect the majority of HVAC installs are done right, but one seldom hears about the ones done right, but you ain’t boxing this multi-thousand dollar equipment and sending it back to the installer for a refund if things go south, and problems associated with a poor installs don’t always show up right away.
This post was edited on 3/30/21 at 11:43 pm
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:08 am to baldona
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People always say this and id love to hear some actually reasons? I’m sure there are a few, but I’m not convinced hVAC residential replacements are that difficult.
I'd equate it to having someone install a part-bought motor and transmission into a custom car body that someone home crafted. The installer will also need to add their own brake and fuel lines and tune the engine.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 5:21 pm to weadjust
Trane is far better supported. We bought a Trane and had problems with the installation. Called Trane they suggested a Trane Engineering firm to review the installation then suggested a Installer to correct the problem ...
Our Carrier dealer was a POS. Had a circuit fire in the attic. They replaced wiring, thermostat .....insulted my wife while up in the attic. Trane came in, pulled the heater coil and the circuit board.....Circuit board was scorched ..."I was in manufacturing of Utility Power Products .....scorched Printed Circuit boards affected the components of that board.
Walked in with the circuit board and dropped it on the owner's desk ....."Your 25 year experienced guys need to go back to school."
He's still pissed that he didn't get a new unit out of us.
Our Carrier dealer was a POS. Had a circuit fire in the attic. They replaced wiring, thermostat .....insulted my wife while up in the attic. Trane came in, pulled the heater coil and the circuit board.....Circuit board was scorched ..."I was in manufacturing of Utility Power Products .....scorched Printed Circuit boards affected the components of that board.
Walked in with the circuit board and dropped it on the owner's desk ....."Your 25 year experienced guys need to go back to school."
He's still pissed that he didn't get a new unit out of us.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 5:42 pm to LSUvegasbombed
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This post was edited on 10/17/21 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 4/2/21 at 1:58 am to Hangit
Sorry for the downvote
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:21 am to LSUvegasbombed
With the possible exception of the coil, same basic components in all of them!
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:59 am to CrawDude
quote:So lucky our HVAC guy is the 2nd house on the left entering the subdivision and his business location is just around the corner outside the subdivision.
problems associated with a poor installs don’t always show up right away.
When the installer/maintainer lives THAT close by you know he's gonna be extra careful/particular to get it right just so he knows he can sleep at night without angry neighbors.
His kids live in the neighborhood, along with his ex-wife across the street from us too. And the contractor/landowner/developer/guy whose whole idea is this subdivision lives next door to the HVAC guy.
We had a problem where after HVAC was installed during the building of the house someone else came along after and punched a drill too far 2x leaving holes through the condensation drain line. Caused puddling in the interior hallway. HVAC guy found it, called the developer, in 10 minutes 3 plumbers showed up and replaced the drilled section of pvc. Then the flooring guy came out to ensure the bath and hall floors were not messed up. They all live in the subdivision.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 6:18 pm to kew48
Yep. Most of them use Copeland compressors, Regal motors. I think Trane has their own compressor. Coils definitely vary by manufacturer and their is a lot of technology in the fins (trying to get low pressure drop, water shedding in evaps, etc). Sheetmetal varies by manufacturer but that's mainly aesthetics.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 10:30 pm to LSUvegasbombed
Both my 6 year old Trane evaporator and condenser had leaks at the same time. Had service contract where it was checked 2 times a year. Dealer replaced both for $1200. Not sold on Trane.
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