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Winter weed mix?

Posted on 3/2/20 at 2:22 pm
Posted by Skeeterzx190
Ponchatoula
Member since Sep 2019
275 posts
Posted on 3/2/20 at 2:22 pm
Sprayed the winter weed cocktail that’s been discussed here plenty consisting of hi yield atrazine, fertilize weed free zone and hi yield spreader sticker. Measured amounts out, measured 1000sqft area and applied it with a pump sprayer. A couple weeks later my lawn is orange. There wasn’t too many weeds to start with and lawn is centipede and approximately a year and a half old. Is this normal?
Posted by Peejack84
Lafayette
Member since Aug 2019
125 posts
Posted on 3/2/20 at 4:02 pm to
Sprayed 1 gal per 1,000 sq/ft? Can you post a pic?
Posted by Skeeterzx190
Ponchatoula
Member since Sep 2019
275 posts
Posted on 3/2/20 at 4:16 pm to
Sprayed with a 2 gallon sprayer over 1000sqft. I’m not home at the moment to get a pic
Posted by PillageUrVillage
Mordor
Member since Mar 2011
15312 posts
Posted on 3/2/20 at 4:40 pm to
quote:

Is this normal?


I'm gonna say no.

It certainly didn't do that to my lawn. And I've sprayed twice.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5595 posts
Posted on 3/2/20 at 7:46 pm to
I’ve never seen seen this, and my centipede is still dormant in Baton Rouge, maybe some is a little green, but mostly “brown” as it’s still largely dormant. Has your centipede already greened up?

I’ve never seen this post spraying this herbicide mixture, and I’ve been using it a few years. Not uncommon to see a little temporary yellowing of non-dormant lawn grass post-spraying.

Attach a photo when you get a chance.
Posted by Clint Torres
Member since Oct 2011
2787 posts
Posted on 3/3/20 at 8:32 am to
The cocktail has been incredible for my St. Augustine yard in Nola. Dollarweed and clovers are just about gone, but my yard is greening up quickly; had to mow it this past weekend. Should I be fertilizing soon? If so, what do you recommend? Should I spray the cocktail again for the few remaining/pop-up weeds?

Been reading your advice and really appreciate your help.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5595 posts
Posted on 3/3/20 at 9:15 am to
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The cocktail has been incredible for my St. Augustine yard in Nola. Dollarweed and clovers are just about gone, but my yard is greening up quickly; had to mow it this past weekend. Should I be fertilizing soon? If so, what do you recommend? Should I spray the cocktail again for the few remaining/pop-up weeds?


Glad it’s working out for you. A good healthy St Aug lawn is going to be your best weed suppressant.

Lawn fertilizer - any good controlled release lawn fertilizer with “high nitrogen” (something with nitrogen, N, in the mid 20s to low 30s) but not “weed and feed” products. Consider a lawn fertilizer carried by the store where you bought your herbicides. I suppose in New Orleans you’re in a green up phase of the grass, so I’d wait a minimum of 2 or 3 weeks to fertilize - I’ll fertilize mine in Baton Rouge around April 1.

Grass is generating a new root system during “green up” phase and is sensitive to herbicides, particularly St Aug. In regards to spraying now for missed weeds, you can spot spray your visible weeds with the cocktail but don’t spray the whole lawn. Once green up is complete, you can can be more liberal with whole lawn herbicide spraying but only if needed.

Lastly, as a reminder St Aug should be cut high, 3 to 3 1/2 inches, to thrive, often people cut grass loo low, I know I did for many years. That will also help to suppress weed germination and growth.
This post was edited on 3/3/20 at 11:47 am
Posted by tigerlife36
Member since Sep 2016
776 posts
Posted on 3/3/20 at 9:43 am to
Crawdude what fertilizer are you using this year? I have zoysia and centipede so thinking a 15-0-15 is good but it's hard to find and very expensive when you do.
Posted by Clint Torres
Member since Oct 2011
2787 posts
Posted on 3/3/20 at 9:44 am to
Good stuff. Thanks again. I've been buying my herbicides at Perino's. They have had the Dimension as well as atrazine and the fertilome products.
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
23266 posts
Posted on 3/3/20 at 9:48 am to
Used the same mix on mine a week ago and see it killed maybe 25% of my target. And I stayed within the 1000 sq feet area. dangit.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5595 posts
Posted on 3/3/20 at 11:53 am to
quote:

Used the same mix on mine a week ago and see it killed maybe 25% of my target. And I stayed within the 1000 sq feet area. dangit.


You may not see the full effects of the herbicides for 2 or 3 weeks because they are systemic and not contact herbicides. Many weeds you see the effects in several days, others take longer. If the weeds you see are not yet dying but have stopped growing then it’s having an effect. Also more mature weeds are are difficult to kill than young ones. That why a follow spray in 2 or 3 weeks is often required.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5595 posts
Posted on 3/3/20 at 12:18 pm to
quote:

Crawdude what fertilizer are you using this year? I have zoysia and centipede so thinking a 15-0-15 is good but it's hard to find and very expensive when you do.

I use a LESCO 24-2-12 Polycoat that I buy at a Site One Landscape Supply in Baton Rouge. They also make a a LESCO 15-5-15 that I’ve used and is good for centipede. The pricing is excellent. According to their web site there is a Site One in Baton Rouge and Mandeville.

I would not too hung up on the 15-0-15, but you want a low phosphorus level for centipede (middle number). Centipede requires a 1/2 lb of nitrogen (N) per 1000 sq ft per application. For a 24-2-12 that 2 lbs applied per 1000 sq ft.; for a 15-5-15 or 15-0-15 that’s 3 1/3 lbs per 1000 sq ft. It’s a bit easier to get good lawn coverage when applying 3 1/3 lbs vs 2 lbs, that’s one reason for the 15-x-x recommendation for centipede but it’s not a hard fast rule.

Looks like Zoysia requires 1 lb of N per 1000 sq ft per application that about 4 lbs of 24–2-12 per 1000 sq ft or 3 lbs of per 1000 sq ft for a 33-x-x fertilizer.



Posted by tigerlife36
Member since Sep 2016
776 posts
Posted on 3/3/20 at 3:14 pm to
I wish we had a Site One up in Monroe. Dr. Strahan said feed zoysia 1/2 N a month and no more than 2 lbs a year otherwise it creates a thatch monster. This also goes along with University of Florida research so that's what I'm going to stick with.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5595 posts
Posted on 3/3/20 at 5:43 pm to
quote:

I wish we had a Site One up in Monroe. Dr. Strahan said feed zoysia 1/2 N a month and no more than 2 lbs a year otherwise it creates a thatch monster. This also goes along with University of Florida research so that's what I'm going to stick with.

Thanks for sharing the fertilization info on Zoysia, I was looking at dated info from the AgCenter - certainly follow Dr Stahran’s recommendations - I do.

I’m fortunate to have a Site One and several retail plant nurseries within 10 min of home. The retail nurseries near me mostly carry Fertilome fertilizers, which are good, and they usually carry Fertilome 15-0-15 Centipede fertilizer but it is more expensive per pound than the LESCO product.

I honestly don’t know if others manufacturers make a 15-0-15 as I’ve really haven’t had to search far to find it, but perhaps others can help here. But as I indicated, if you can find a lawn fertilizer with nitrogen in the low to mid 20s, low P, and K in the teens, and you are confident your rotary spreader distributes about 2 lbs of fertilizer evenly over 1000 sq ft then I think you’ll be just fine using a more easily obtained product.
Posted by tigerlife36
Member since Sep 2016
776 posts
Posted on 3/4/20 at 8:48 pm to
Does the site one in Baton Rouge keep the 24-2-12 in stock? I’m passing though BR next month and might pick a few bags up.
Posted by ronk
Member since Jan 2015
6901 posts
Posted on 3/4/20 at 10:27 pm to
I might be able to help you figure out what happened but I’d need some info. What pump sprayer did you use? When you say pump do you mean a backpack compressed air sprayer? If so was it a fan or cone tip?

The application rate obviously is huge on results and/or damage. If the fill chart you used was a backpack rate but you used it 2G per minute sprayer you would smoke your lawn
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5595 posts
Posted on 3/4/20 at 10:41 pm to
quote:

Does the site one in Baton Rouge keep the 24-2-12 in stock?

Yes they do - and I’m off a digit, it’s 24-2-11.
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
23266 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 11:29 am to
I thought the same, but one of the ingredients said not to use more than twice per year...and i'm pretty sure there was a significant time span between the two.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5595 posts
Posted on 3/5/20 at 1:43 pm to
quote:

I thought the same, but one of the ingredients said not to use more than twice per year...and i'm pretty sure there was a significant time span between the two.


Good job on reading the label. I’m not one to suggest violating label directions. Here what I would suggest you so, and it’s in fact what I do in my lawn.

Make your second spray with the atrazine + weed free zone cocktail now (2 to 3 weeks post your first spray) and use no more atrazine this year. Rather if needed, use methsulfuron methyl (MSM Turf) to control weeds after the turf has greened up and your are cutting grass regularly - summer through fall, and/or spray the weed free zone with surfactant alone as needed according to label directions. - but don’t use weed free zone when temps exceed 85°F.

I use a couple other post-emergent herbicides like Celsius and Sedgehammer (little pricey) during summer and fall for some other weeds not controlled by the other herbicides but you shouldn’t concern yourself with those unless you encounter those weeds.
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