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Can a school greyshirt a guy who already signed his LOI?
Posted on 1/5/19 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 1/5/19 at 1:47 pm
Hypothetically say a school already had a LOI and did the financial aid, could said school change there mind and say well now you have to greyshirt? I see some people saying this about some schools, but if they already accept LOI how would that work?
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Posted on 1/5/19 at 2:00 pm to TheAstroTiger
quote:No
Can a school greyshirt a guy who already signed his LOI?
This post was edited on 1/5/19 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 1/5/19 at 2:03 pm to TheAstroTiger
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TheAstroTigerCan a school greyshirt a guy who already signed his LOI?
No, Bama cannot do this.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 2:23 pm to OppositeMan
No to the op.
The thing apparently in the works at Bama is that Tyson and Reichard, who are already on campus, didn't sign paperwork and are planning to grey shirt. That part is legal.
The thing apparently in the works at Bama is that Tyson and Reichard, who are already on campus, didn't sign paperwork and are planning to grey shirt. That part is legal.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 2:29 pm to lsufanva
I think they’ve signed 23. So of 28 current commits/signees that leaves 23 that are set in stone. 5 up in the air?
Correct?
Correct?
Posted on 1/5/19 at 4:11 pm to lsufanva
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The thing apparently in the works at Bama is that Tyson and Reichard, who are already on campus, didn't sign paperwork and are planning to grey shirt. That part is legal.
Also, they had a QB from Arkansas last year who's listed on 247 but Bama says he's a walk on and they had a guy who never qualified who they say didn't ever sign but he's still been listed in one of their classes.
Between these two and Tyson/Reichard possibly grayshirting, they might be able to take 32 (sign 30 and grayshirt 2). Unreal.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 4:13 pm to TheAstroTiger
Can always just "lose" or "never receive" the paperwork.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 4:42 pm to whitefoot
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Between these two and Tyson/Reichard possibly grayshirting, they might be able to take 32 (sign 30 and grayshirt 2). Unreal.
no, max you can sign is 28, counting back counters. Grey shirts are players who aren't a part of the team until the following year and count in that class.
So Tyson/Reichard can pay their own way and attend Bama same as any student or not attend school at all or attend a juco, but they cant be part of the 2019 Bama football team, they can then enroll in January or august 2020 and be part of the 2020 class. It is just delaying recruits or moving recruits into the following years class
Posted on 1/5/19 at 4:47 pm to boxcar willie
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max you can sign is 28
Where are you getting this? I'm almost positive you can back count up to 5.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 4:57 pm to boxcar willie
what I can't find any info on is if a high school recruits parents pay his way, can he just be a walk on and not count at all towards the 25 signee limit for any year. I remember seeing something a while back that said that if a player was ever recruited, he can't just pay his own way and walk on to the team in order to evade signing limits. But I can't find anything on that right now.
For example, What would prevent a player like Eli Manning to just have been a walk on at Ole Miss and not take up a scholarship. The tuition $ really wouldn't have been a problem for his dad to pay.
Just has been talk of Bama signing 30 or 32 and I just don't see how that would be possible. Because gray shirts are just players who delay everything until the following year and are not a part of the team until then and count towards that recruiting class, not the current one.
Blue shirts really aren't a deal anymore as they now have to count to the current class.
Plus they signed 21 last year so could only back count 4 but the SEC and Big 10 have self imposed 28 player signee limits regardless of back counters. So I don't see how that would work for them either.
The only real work around would seem to be to get some recruits who perhaps have wealthier parents to pay their way and just walk on. But not sure if that is possible either.
For example, What would prevent a player like Eli Manning to just have been a walk on at Ole Miss and not take up a scholarship. The tuition $ really wouldn't have been a problem for his dad to pay.
Just has been talk of Bama signing 30 or 32 and I just don't see how that would be possible. Because gray shirts are just players who delay everything until the following year and are not a part of the team until then and count towards that recruiting class, not the current one.
Blue shirts really aren't a deal anymore as they now have to count to the current class.
Plus they signed 21 last year so could only back count 4 but the SEC and Big 10 have self imposed 28 player signee limits regardless of back counters. So I don't see how that would work for them either.
The only real work around would seem to be to get some recruits who perhaps have wealthier parents to pay their way and just walk on. But not sure if that is possible either.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 5:04 pm to whitefoot
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Where are you getting this? I'm almost positive you can back count up to 5.
from just now reading about recruiting rule on the internet. It says the Big 10 and SEC have a hard 28 player signing limit, with a 25 per class limit. I think you maybe can only have 5 early enrollees, but that doesn't mean all early enrollees are back counters.
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Posted on 1/5/19 at 5:06 pm to boxcar willie
Gotcha. That sounds familiar.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 5:12 pm to whitefoot
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Gotcha. That sounds familiar.
it is going to be very interesting to watch how this plays out for them because I just dont' see how the numbers they are talking about are going to work. I have been on the internet all evening trying to figure out what these recruiting rules regarding signing limits are and still am not clear, especially in the area of walk on players and what if anything prevents a well off parent (such as an ex NFL player) from paying a son recruits way in order to circumvent signing limits.
I did see that there is a 100 player signing limit over a 4 year period, so whether you back count or grey shirt forward, you still can't sign over 100 in any 4 year span.
FWTIW (for whatever that is worth)
This post was edited on 1/5/19 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 1/5/19 at 5:14 pm to boxcar willie
I just wish some poster who is really knowledgeable in this area would come on here and explain some of this.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 5:16 pm to boxcar willie
Just post enough wrong information and Indiana Tiger will be along to set us straight. People posting misinformation is his bat signal.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 5:18 pm to whitefoot
cool, I hope he shows up. Is he someone who seems to really know or just another rant blow hard?
Posted on 1/5/19 at 5:22 pm to boxcar willie
Really simple Batman pays pays parents and they pay the school bills. Guessing the bag will have a little for mom and dad to.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 5:22 pm to boxcar willie
I mean everyone on here is a rant blowhard to some degree, right? 
But he's very well versed in the signing rules.
But he's very well versed in the signing rules.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 5:40 pm to ORTIGER
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Batman pays pays parents
Batman is a Gump
This post was edited on 1/5/19 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 1/5/19 at 6:42 pm to TheAstroTiger
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Hypothetically say a school already had a LOI and did the financial aid, could said school change there mind and say well now you have to greyshirt? I see some people saying this about some schools, but if they already accept LOI how would that work?
As you describe it--meaning that the player signed the LOI and the school accepted it--they can't change their mind and force a greyshirt. However, if they are doing it, then there is probably a detail that you are unaware or making an assumption about. Look at the rule:
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15.5.1.10.1.1 Application. [FBS] A prospective student-athlete who signs a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial aid or a student-athlete who signs a financial aid agreement that specifies financial aid will be initially provided in the fall term of an academic year shall count toward the annual limit on signings for that academic year. A prospective student-athlete who signs a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial aid or a student-athlete who signs a financial aid agreement that specifies financial aid will be initially provided during the second or third term of the academic year may count toward the limit for that academic year or the limit for the next academic year. (Adopted: 1/14/12 effective 8/1/12, Revised: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17)
So if the LOI that the athlete signed only promised the ship after the first term then they have the option to walkon and pay their way or greyshirt and preserve eligibility. Also if they walkon for a full year then they could be awarded a ship without counting against the 25 at all. Here's that rule:
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15.5.1.10.1.2 Exception—Agreement After One Year. [FBS] A student-athlete who has been in residence at the certifying institution for at least one academic year may sign a financial aid agreement for the first time without counting toward the annual limit on signings. (Adopted: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17, Revised: 4/25/18 effective 8/1/18)
It's also been suggested that the SEC has an independent signing limit. I know that was the case at one time, but I believe when they instituted the new rules, the SEC aligned with the NCAA. I've looked and that's the way it seems to me, but I may not be looking in the correct spot. I may be a fairly knowledgeable dilettante, but I'm just a dilettante nonetheless. I know enough to stay humble with this shite.
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