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Horse Collar penalty - NCAA
Posted on 11/5/23 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 11/5/23 at 5:30 pm
Sorry so slow - had to register and all that. But, I was in disbelief yesterday as I watched our star, Harold Perkins, tackle a Bama player and get called for horse collar. It was NOT a horse collar because he clearly tackled the guy from the front. The rule is meant to keep an the runner from getting a neck or back injury from being bent backwards. Here I quote the rule: "grabbing the inside back collar of the shoulder pads or jersey, the nameplate area, or the inside collar of the side of the shoulder pads or jersey..." Subsequently, that wrongful penalty led to a Bama touchdown and a lead that may have demoralized LSU :-(
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Posted on 11/5/23 at 5:32 pm to mrklaney
They were both horse collars
Posted on 11/5/23 at 5:34 pm to SulphursFinest
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They were both horse collars
Agreed, but only 1 was called.
Posted on 11/5/23 at 5:45 pm to mrklaney
Agreed. When you grab an opposing player in the front, he can defend himself going down. A true horse collar is when you grab them by the back and jerk them down backwards.
Theres a famous video of a female soccer player that grabbed an opponent by her pony tail and jerked her down bacwards. Very easy to injure someone that way.
Theres a famous video of a female soccer player that grabbed an opponent by her pony tail and jerked her down bacwards. Very easy to injure someone that way.
Posted on 11/5/23 at 5:50 pm to mrklaney
I thought the same thing. Horse collar is from the rear, pulling a player down backwards.
Apparently there is a different interpretation of all rules when its Alabama.
Apparently there is a different interpretation of all rules when its Alabama.
Posted on 11/5/23 at 5:53 pm to mrklaney
It definitely was a horse collar
Posted on 11/5/23 at 5:54 pm to mrklaney
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our star, Harold Perkins
Debatable
Posted on 11/5/23 at 5:59 pm to mrklaney
Posted on 11/5/23 at 6:00 pm to mrklaney
The NCAA rule book does not specify, though it really should.
Here is the rule.
Here is the rule.
quote:
Horse-Collar Tackle
ARTICLE 15. All players are prohibited from grabbing the inside back collar of
the shoulder pads or jersey, the nameplate area, or the inside collar of the side of
the shoulder pads or jersey, and abruptly pulling the ball carrier down. This does
not apply to a ball carrier, including a potential passer, who is inside the tackle
box (Rule 2-34). Note that the tackle box disintegrates when the ball leaves it.
Posted on 11/5/23 at 6:03 pm to Gus007
quote:
I thought the same thing. Horse collar is from the rear, pulling a player down backwards.
Apparently there is a different interpretation of all rules when it’s Alabama.
Except the doesn’t say the player has to be pulled down backwards. You aren’t even interpreting it incorrectly, you are just making that up.
Posted on 11/5/23 at 6:04 pm to mrklaney
Absolutely that was about as safe as a tackle can be due to the fact most of his weight was pulling evenly down or more towards the front not from the bac since he had him with both hands.
Huge turning point not stopping them there.
Made me furious but the rule as written wasn’t in our favor though.
Huge turning point not stopping them there.
Made me furious but the rule as written wasn’t in our favor though.
Posted on 11/5/23 at 6:05 pm to mrklaney
They were both horse collars. The problem is that only one was called.
Either call them both or let them both go.
Either call them both or let them both go.
Posted on 11/5/23 at 6:07 pm to mdomingue
I really don’t understand how you people take that rule and say what Perkins did is a horse collar. He very clearly pulled the QB down from the front and not the back or side as the rule states.
Posted on 11/5/23 at 6:08 pm to LSBoosie
Yea they should probably clean up the language of the rule. It was clearly meant to apply to jerking a player backwards or to the side by the equipment that is secured around their chest, neck and shoulders.
What happened on our play was the player was pulled down from the front by one hand on the front collar of the shoulder pads. The other hand was reaching around to the back collar, but then sliding to the side of the collar while pulling him down.
Clearly from the motion of the player being tackled, the force was applied from the front. But the language doesn't really specify that that is important.
What happened on our play was the player was pulled down from the front by one hand on the front collar of the shoulder pads. The other hand was reaching around to the back collar, but then sliding to the side of the collar while pulling him down.
Clearly from the motion of the player being tackled, the force was applied from the front. But the language doesn't really specify that that is important.
This post was edited on 11/5/23 at 6:10 pm
Posted on 11/5/23 at 6:09 pm to RUKIDDINGME
It seems like most plays Perkins make I am holding my breath that a flag will come out. It’s usually the taunting.
Great player. Just needs to learn to settle down and play.
Great player. Just needs to learn to settle down and play.
Posted on 11/5/23 at 6:47 pm to Raz
The problem with changing the language is you are now making it a more controversial call by leaving it open to interpretation of which direction the player is falling. As of now it’s pretty black and white on what is or isn’t a horse collar.
Posted on 11/5/23 at 7:34 pm to mdomingue
quote:Perkins did not abruptly pull the ball carrier down by grabbing the inside back collar of the shoulder pads or jersey, the nameplate area, or the inside collar of the side of the shoulder pads or jersey.
All players are prohibited from grabbing the inside back collar of the shoulder pads or jersey, the nameplate area, or the inside collar of the side of the shoulder pads or jersey, and abruptly pulling the ball carrier down.
Posted on 11/5/23 at 7:35 pm to RUKIDDINGME
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I really don’t understand how you people take that rule and say what Perkins did is a horse collar. He very clearly pulled the QB down from the front and not the back or side as the rule states.
He had one hand holding the nameplate area. I would argue he actually pulled him down from the front of his jersey and just had his hand on the nameplate but that is not what they saw.
Posted on 11/5/23 at 7:43 pm to Salviati
Do you think he pulled him down softly?
Posted on 11/5/23 at 8:13 pm to mrklaney
I don’t mind the call but there has to be consistency. Early in the game it happened to Jayden but nothing was thrown. Just make everything electronic, take the refs off, have a ball with electronics to give you placement, etc. if a play is close have a virtual group and let them review it instantly within seconds.
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