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Jones hitting 3rd

Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:03 am
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
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Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:03 am
I think this is probably CJJs preferred spot for Jones, but he needed Dickinson hitting behind Jones to protect him. I think that he moved Dickinson up in the order because he feels that Frey is good enough to bat cleanup and teams will respect Frey's power enough that they won't pitch around Jones.

I think moving Dickinson up and Jones back is more about Frey than about Curiel and Dickinson. This could be a big sign that Frey has earned an every day spot and is no longer platooning with Pearson and Brown at DH.

That aside, I think putting Dickinson in as the lead off was just Jay tinkering. He might have done it just to have a right hander lead off against a lefty starting pitcher. I dunno.
Posted by bradygolf98
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:13 am to
It worked well last night, against a good team but throwing mid week guys. I think CJJ was trying to shake things up a bit with the guys after the weekend.

I do think that Frey continuing to bat well has a little something to do with it as you said.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
13064 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:23 am to
Frey has the worst SEC batting average on the team out of every player that has more than 2 SEC at bats...
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:24 am to
Doubt it was that big of a deal. Prob just shaking things up

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but he needed Dickinson hitting behind Jones to protect him

Not really

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I think that he moved Dickinson up in the order because he feels that Frey is good enough to bat cleanup and teams will respect Frey's power enough that they won't pitch around Jones.

Id prefer they pitch around jones.
Posted by JerryTheKingBawler
South of Memphis
Member since Jan 2023
4713 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:26 am to
That BEAR BOMB last night was a thing of beauty. He looked like Aaron Judge the was he just powered that ball over the wall.
Posted by SEC Doctor
Member since Aug 2024
6131 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:29 am to
quote:

I think this is probably CJJs preferred spot for Jones, but he needed Dickinson hitting behind Jones to protect him. I think that he moved Dickinson up in the order because he feels that Frey is good enough to bat cleanup and teams will respect Frey's power enough that they won't pitch around Jones.


Seems like a mistake to me. Frey has not shown the ability in his career to hit against good pitching. I think Jones gets pitched around a lot more with Frey behind him than if Dickinson was.
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
81727 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:34 am to
you put braswell at clean up to protect jones
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
25634 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:44 am to
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Frey has the worst SEC batting average on the team out of every player that has more than 2 SEC at bats...


This is true. Everyone on the team is hitting below .300, except for Curiel, Braswell, and Stanfield.

Stanfield is not our best hitter, and Frey is not our worst. Our best hitters are Curiel, Dickinson, Jones, and then probably Frey.

Jones, Milam, Pearson, etc, are all hitting terrible against SEC pitching, so it's not just Frey. You know what? They are going to adjust.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:51 am to
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Id prefer they pitch around jones


Huh?
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
79980 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 11:56 am to
Whats wrong with them giving us a free runner at 1st? Our lineup isnt anemic. He isnt barry bonds in his prime. And he isnt slow on the bases. Runners at 1st puts pressure on the pitcher. Very few pitchers and teams are going to pitch around jones regardless of who is behind him, and if they do, great!
This post was edited on 4/16/25 at 11:58 am
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
59209 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 12:10 pm to
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Whats wrong with them giving us a free runner at 1st?


That’s a simple way of looking at it.

But if that’s what you want most, put your worst hitter behind Jones.

Most people would want that to be a tough decision because usually the decision to pitch around him will come with other runners on. And Jones is your best hitter.
Posted by Dead Mike
Cell Block 4
Member since Mar 2010
3678 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 12:10 pm to
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Whats wrong with them giving us a free runner at 1st? Our lineup isnt anemic. He isnt barry bonds in his prime. And he isnt slow on the bases. Runners at 1st puts pressure on the pitcher. Very few pitchers and teams are going to pitch around jones regardless of who is behind him, and if they do, great!


Also, through 15 SEC games, Jones is:

- 6th on the team in Batting Average
- 7th on the team in On-Base Percentage
- 8th on the team in Slugging

*SEC-only stats
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
25634 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 12:16 pm to
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Whats wrong with them giving us a free runner at 1st?


Nothing is wrong with that. I don't mind if they give Jones a free pass. That's not a bad outcome.

But that's not what they are going to do. They are going try to entice him to hit something just out of the zone and if he walks, he walks. Better than Jared hitting a homerun. Jared is prone to swinging at pitches out of the zone when he gets frustrated.

With Frey, they have a guy who is almost as big and has almost as much power as Jared. Another guy they have to be careful about going giving a pitch they can drive.
This post was edited on 4/16/25 at 12:20 pm
Posted by KTrain915
Baton Rouge LA
Member since Feb 2010
811 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 12:19 pm to
frick you and Aaron Judge.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
13064 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 12:22 pm to
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Stanfield is not our best hitter, and Frey is not our worst. Our best hitters are Curiel, Dickinson, Jones, and then probably Frey.


I'm not saying Stanfield is our best and Frey is our worst. But your whole premise of Johnson having a ton of confidence in Frey doesn't make much sense. Frey hasn't really been hitting well. I think it was more so that the entire team had an awful weekend at the plate and Jay wanted to switch things up.
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Jones, Milam, Pearson, etc, are all hitting terrible against SEC pitching, so it's not just Frey. You know what? They are going to adjust.

Maybe, maybe not. Frey over 3 years has never had much success against SEC pitching. He might adjust, he might not. Pearson is a career .260 hitter. It's much more likely that he started the year off hot and is easing back in to what type of hitter he actually is.
Posted by CWILKS3
Covington
Member since Apr 2020
972 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 12:26 pm to
In Frey’s defense, he’s hit a lot of hard hit balls that have been right at fielders in SEC play
Posted by burreauxxx
Member since Dec 2019
5074 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 12:33 pm to
Jones is wildly inconsistent so I don't love the idea of putting Frey behind him who's also wildly inconsistent with a lot of swing and miss. We saw at Auburn that can be a back-to-back Ks scenario when you need RISP driven in.

Frey sees lefties fine but I believe a strong case can be made to sit him against RHPs in favor of Reaves.

As for the BO, Curiel has to stay as the table setter. He works counts and usually sees a lot of pitches, gets on base better than anyone on the team, and you want your best pure hitter getting as many ABs as possible. You don't move him.

I'd rather see Dickinson batting second. Jay overthinks the "protection" thing imo. Put Jones third with two chances to get on base in front of him. If a team has an open base and wants to walk Jones then they're just walking a guy batting .250 in league play...I think we'd all be fine with that if we're being honest. There are plenty of capable bats to put in the 4-hole that can get the job done. And, NO, Pearson should not be one of them, Jay
This post was edited on 4/16/25 at 1:52 pm
Posted by notbilly
alter
Member since Sep 2015
5896 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 12:34 pm to
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Frey has the worst SEC batting average on the team out of every player that has more than 2 SEC at bats...



He's .003 behind Pearson who is the other 4 hole hitter on the team.

.225 Pearson
.222 Frey
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
79980 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 12:35 pm to
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But if that’s what you want most, put your worst hitter behind Jones.

Its not what i want most, and its also not a great idea to have your worst hitter near the top of the order
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
79980 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 12:36 pm to
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They are going try to entice him to hit something just out of the zone and if he walks, he walks. Better than Jared hitting a homerun. Jared is prone to swinging at pitches out of the zone when he gets frustrated.

Thats going to happen no matter who they have hitting behind him. Thats on him to have great pitch selection. Whether its frey or dickinson or milam or curiel behind him
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