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NIL vs Pay to Play
Posted on 12/3/24 at 10:28 am
Posted on 12/3/24 at 10:28 am
Do you guys consider what's happening in CFB to really be NIL?
To me, what's going on is simply pay to play. NIL was intended to be a mutual relationship between a player and a business, that benefited both because of the association of the player with a brand. The player gets paid for his association and the company/ business sees revenues increase as a result... or at least that's what they expect.
Most of what I've seen at LSU in truly NIL, like Campbell's John Deere ads or even Myles Brennan's fast food ads. Pretty much everything Gordan has done is true NIL.
Giving a high school player a bag of money to go to your alum with nothing in return but the satisfaction of seeing your program do well isn't true NIL to me.
To me, what's going on is simply pay to play. NIL was intended to be a mutual relationship between a player and a business, that benefited both because of the association of the player with a brand. The player gets paid for his association and the company/ business sees revenues increase as a result... or at least that's what they expect.
Most of what I've seen at LSU in truly NIL, like Campbell's John Deere ads or even Myles Brennan's fast food ads. Pretty much everything Gordan has done is true NIL.
Giving a high school player a bag of money to go to your alum with nothing in return but the satisfaction of seeing your program do well isn't true NIL to me.
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Posted on 12/3/24 at 10:32 am to 304tiger
i thought NIL was to give players cash for likeness, jerseys sales, sponsorships, etc...seems like it's pay for play hidden behind the name NIL
Posted on 12/3/24 at 10:32 am to 304tiger
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Do you guys consider what's happening in CFB to really be NIL?
No, that’s why the House settlement with NCAA is happening next year. Revenue sharing & a salary cap for paying players.
NIL will still be on top of that, but you can’t just pay a player whatever you want
Posted on 12/3/24 at 10:33 am to 304tiger
It's all a big joke. Nothing will happen until rules are established. In the meantime a lot of wins will have an asterik next to it i.e. paid $25 mil for this roster
Posted on 12/3/24 at 10:33 am to 304tiger
If they truly want to have NIL and not Michigan’s pay for play with Underwood, there needs to be a rule that no HS recruit / Freshmen receive any NIL deal until after their first season.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 10:33 am to 304tiger
Revenue sharing and then stop Booster involvement in NIL unless your program makes less than X amount per year but it can only be X amount. That will stop Texas, A&M, Oregon and USC from writing blank checks. There was more integrity with bagmen than this new crap.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 10:35 am to Magnus
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thought NIL was to give players cash for likeness, jerseys sales, sponsorships, etc
Good point. I forgot about all the ways players can make some cash on their own. That's also what it was intended for.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 10:35 am to USAFTiger42
silly question...but if booster mr x writes a big check to oregon for a player and they get him, what exactly is in for the booster besides see his team win
Posted on 12/3/24 at 10:35 am to 304tiger
NIL was supposed to be for the jersey sales, autograph signings, appearances, some commercials like you said, NCAA game, etc. All this money being thrown around to play for a program is wild. That's why I can't take 1 recruit seriously. If they get offered 8 more dollars they leaving. Loyalty is only in the dollar form now.
Yes I know they got paid under the table, but that's the proper way to do it. And the totals were not nearly what they are now.
Yes I know they got paid under the table, but that's the proper way to do it. And the totals were not nearly what they are now.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 10:37 am to 304tiger
NIL should have been nothing more than a free market (which I guess it is) and the free market opportunity for a college athlete to capitalize on their personal brand the same way their non-athlete peers could.
Why was a kid in school who didn't play sports, but ran a makeup blog allowed to make money off brand deals there, but an athlete could not. Deestroying is the first person that comes to mind.
It never made sense that because you played sports, you forfeited your rights to your personal brand. If anything, it should have increased it.
Why was a kid in school who didn't play sports, but ran a makeup blog allowed to make money off brand deals there, but an athlete could not. Deestroying is the first person that comes to mind.
It never made sense that because you played sports, you forfeited your rights to your personal brand. If anything, it should have increased it.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 10:39 am to Magnus
So this might create another version of bagmen but you can't talk about it because officially from the school you make X.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 10:41 am to 304tiger
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Do you guys consider what's happening in CFB to really be NIL?
Of course not. But that is the nature of the marketplace.
There is "NIL" in pro sports too. But that marketplace is one with established parameters. The players are employees with employment contracts. There are salary caps agreed to via negotiations between the players and owners. That means NIL doesn't really dictate the terms of employment of the players and the "recruiting", at least initially, is via an established draft.
That's not the college marketplace. The players aren't "employees" of the school/athletic department. There are no employment contracts. There is no first year player draft.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 10:41 am to USAFTiger42
the collectives became the loophole once Tenn and UVA took it to court and NCAA became toothless
Posted on 12/3/24 at 10:41 am to JimTiger72
Life would be better if we just had more rules. No?
Posted on 12/3/24 at 10:43 am to 304tiger
The way this ends is most people stop caring about college football. It may take 20 years, but the crash in attendance is coming. Once the majority of people really figure out that its like the pre salary cap NFL days, 90%+ of colleges will have a huge drop in attendance. It will only get worse, power has been surrendered to lawyers, tv deals, and big money boosters. Power is never taken with the intent of relinquishing it, and there is no way to put the cat back in the bag.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 10:43 am to nicholastiger
They aren't denying payment so you can argue that different teams make different amounts so they can pay accordingly without the help of boosters. Before the athletes only got benefits and no pay which is why it wasn't favorable for the NCAA.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 10:46 am to 304tiger
There need to be caps on how much they can get paid
Posted on 12/3/24 at 10:50 am to 304tiger
It has NEVER been about "name, image, likeness". Take a stud HS player who is getting paid BEFORE he plays one down of college football. Is anyone really naive enough to believe that more than 1% of the fans of the team that gets a guy could pick him out of a lineup of 3 men with similar builds. As far as jersey sales go, hell no one even knows what number of jersey to buy before the guy starts playing for the school.
It IS 100% pay for play, and has ALWAYS been 100% pay for play. Unless you want to be politically incorrect to use the term NIL, many don't even pretend to use the term anymore. This era right now if "free agency without the salary cap that the NFL has." Simple as that. And free agency starts with HS seniors and extends to transfers from other colleges.
It IS 100% pay for play, and has ALWAYS been 100% pay for play. Unless you want to be politically incorrect to use the term NIL, many don't even pretend to use the term anymore. This era right now if "free agency without the salary cap that the NFL has." Simple as that. And free agency starts with HS seniors and extends to transfers from other colleges.
Posted on 12/3/24 at 11:04 am to 304tiger
It’s all pay to play now.
It’s the Wild, Wild West. Big money who can hire he most hired guns runs the territory…
It’s the Wild, Wild West. Big money who can hire he most hired guns runs the territory…
Posted on 12/3/24 at 11:06 am to LSUShock
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Why was a kid in school who didn't play sports, but ran a makeup blog allowed to make money off brand deals there, but an athlete could not.
Practically, it was because college sports as we loved it can only exist when it’s an amateur sport. Otherwise, what’s happening is exactly what always would have happened.
Morally, sure you can say that colleges don’t have a RIGHT to deny people the chance to make money, but the thing is, that was never the case.
They were always free to make all the money they could make, unless they wanted to voluntarily participate in collegiate athletics.
Nobody was forcing anyone to play for LSU or any other school, so the “free to make money” thing was always bullshite.
The Supreme Court threw the baby out with the bath water.
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