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Why the bad defense?

Posted on 11/28/23 at 7:45 am
Posted by TigerNAtux
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2007
17114 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 7:45 am
The defensive coaches that were hired or retained must have had some experience or qualities that led to their hire or retention from last year.

How did it go so wrong? A chemistry problem? Player problem? Personal problems? Recruiting problem?

I get the injuries and attrition, but to not improve at all? Just boggles the mind.

Posted by GeauxLSUGeaux
1 room down from Erin Andrews
Member since May 2004
23358 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 7:47 am to
It’s very simple if you watched every game. Too many missed tackles, blown coverages, and zero pressure from the front 7.
Posted by TigerNAtux
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2007
17114 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 7:50 am to
I get it. That’s coaching, right? So how did we end up with bad coaching? These folks weren't sucking when we hired them.
Posted by TIGRLEE
Northeast Louisiana
Member since Nov 2009
31493 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 7:52 am to
Nah it’s not all coaching.


Players didn’t execute.

You don’t come to college not knowing how to tackle or beat the man in front of you in pursuit of the football.


Posted by Honest Tune
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
15795 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 7:57 am to
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Too many missed tackles


Most frustrating part of the equation to me.
Posted by GeauxLSUGeaux
1 room down from Erin Andrews
Member since May 2004
23358 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 7:57 am to
quote:

I get it. That’s coaching, right? So how did we end up with bad coaching? These folks weren't sucking when we hired them.


I think it’s a mix of both coaching and our defensive players weren’t good enough. Speights went from all PAC 12 linebacker to not being able to tackle or cover to save his life. To have a historically bad defense to you need ineptitude in both coaching and players not good enough for the league they’re playing in and that’s what we had.
Posted by mgdtiger
Member since May 2006
2854 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 7:59 am to
A combo of bad coaching with bad talent. Talent hurt by injuries. Losing jk at cb. Losing brooks at safety. I don’t think speights ever recovered fully from his injury that kept him out all spring. Coaches got so scared with the talent that they completely went so basic it was bad. In today’s football how many teams are playing with 2 slow mlb and then on top of that putting another lber as your nickel. Yes Perkins is special, but we are playing a true 4-3 which you hardly see anymore. Teams don’t go 3 lbers with 4 down as much as we do in today’s football. This past game was actually the most true nickel I saw us play. A lber would come out in passing downs and Toviano or stamps would come in and move Sage to the slot cb. We hadn’t done that much all season.
Posted by onepiecemayne
Member since Nov 2023
94 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 8:00 am to
House didn't just all of a sudden suck at coaching in one year. The one flaw Kelly missed is that House sucks at developing players and managing inexperienced players to fit his scheme. The defense will do well against smaller schools bc of the talent level. In conclusion, Matt House is way in over his head in what it takes to be a DC at a SEC school.
Posted by TopWaterTiger
Lake Charles, LA
Member since May 2006
10224 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 8:24 am to
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House sucks at developing players and managing inexperienced players to fit his scheme.


This seems to be the problem. Players seemed lost all season.
Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
44582 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 8:27 am to
quote:

These folks weren't sucking when we hired them.


Not sure about that. It seemed nobody thought Cooks was a good coach when he was hired. Steeples had never been a college coach, mostly HS and 1 year assisting special teams with the Vikings. So your DB coaches have question marks right off.

And then there's the DL saga, which is its own deal.
Posted by TopWaterTiger
Lake Charles, LA
Member since May 2006
10224 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 8:32 am to
So keep House and hire whole new D staff?
Posted by onepiecemayne
Member since Nov 2023
94 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 8:35 am to
House changed jobs 7 times in the previous 10 years before he got hired at LSU. He never had to fully develop players b/c of all his short stints and somehow landed a job with the Chiefs. Kelly hiring a linebackers coach as DC cost him a potential playoff spot. Someone (Mathieu?) vouched for House and it cost Kelly a season with a potential Heisman winner..
This post was edited on 11/28/23 at 8:38 am
Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
44582 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 8:35 am to
No, I want an entirely new defensive staff.
Posted by Tammany Tom
Mandeville
Member since Jun 2004
3205 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 8:39 am to
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I get the injuries and attrition, but to not improve at all? Just boggles the mind.


But…. Do you really get the injuries and attrition?

LSU’s weakest & least depth unit, by far, in the summer was the secondary.

That was before we lost Johnson, Brooks, Harris, Chestnut, Alexander, and Sams.

LSU over the course of the season lost captain of the secondary and then the top 4 Corners. LSU was starting FR at corner who were recruited to play safety.

It’s pretty damn difficult to improve your defense with that type of attrition.

I’m not a big House fan, but a lot of you simply can’t grasp how truly devestated our defense truly was to injuries and attrition.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66842 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 8:41 am to
The staff as more than fine last year when we had the players to do what they wanted to do.

thisnyear we didn’t and it showed a lack of creativity on House’s part, we had a problem and he couldn’t fix it so it compounded the problem.

Posted by 31TIGERS
Mike’s habitat
Member since Dec 2004
7219 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 8:41 am to
quote:

That’s coaching, right?



Uhh, at some point you have to look at the players. The coaches can only coach so much. They can’t get on the field to tackle, defend, throw, catch the ball/hold on to the ball, block, etc.

Yes, I know the coaches have to get players here but do you think they incorrectly evaluated a whole F’n defensive unit? I don’t.

Ask yourself this, how was it that everyone was praising Matt House and the defense while wanting to burn down Daniels, Denbrock, Kelly, and the offense?

One thing LSU fans are plagued with, is instant gratification and entitlement. Then again, for the wrong reasons that’s most of today’s society in general. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to be the best every year and I’m pretty sure the coaches aren’t going out there and saying “let’s make our fans bitch and moan all year long but this time it’ll be for the defensive side”.
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
9048 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 8:44 am to
Well we can go through it all if you'd like.

1) Kerry Cooks is the safety coach and he has been average everywhere he has been. He was hired most likely because he has worked with Kelly in the past and Kelly wanted someone with familiarity around. He has been ok recruiting and awful at developing.

2) Robert Steeples is the CB coach and he was a gamble. Kelly crossed paths with him at some point and saw potential. He just hasnt worked out. Its tough cuz LSU isn't a place where you can learn on the job, he has missed on recruits and the guys he does have don't seem to be developing.

3) House is the DC and LBs coach. He had a decent resume and came from the NFL. Kelly said that he found his defense difficult to prepare for when they played in the past. He has been pretty disappointing as both the DC and LBs coach. His shceme is maybe to complicated for young guys to grasp and he failed to turn Perkins into a MLB despite working on it all offseason. That basically wasted an offseason of development and made the first half of the season a learning experience for Perkins while he figure out the Nickle Sam role.

4) DL coach - In 2022 it was Jamar Cain who was an awesome recruiter but had either personality or philosophy differences that cause us to part ways. He was our best recruiter on D but he wasn't known as a great position coach. He was replaced by Coach Linsey who was diagnosed with cancer during fall camp. The interim was Jan Jancek who has never coached DL before. This is the root of our issues if you ask me. The guys we have are not being developed because they don't have a coach and we aren't recruiting well because...well... we don't have a coach.

If I was Kelly I'd completely clean house and start over on defense.

IF he decides to keep House, I won't like it but I'm not gonna jump off a cliff so long as he fires ALL of the position coaches and replaces them with proven guys.
This post was edited on 11/28/23 at 8:47 am
Posted by lazcreek
Galvez
Member since Feb 2004
1106 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 8:52 am to
Most of the guys you mentioned played the first 5-6 games. LSU was well on their way to the worst defense ever before those guys went out.
Posted by Tyga Woods
South Central Jupiter Island, FL
Member since Sep 2016
30374 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 8:56 am to
Coaching left a lot to be desired but many of the players on the defensive side of the ball would be bench warmers in years past. Some probably shouldn't be playing in the power 5
Posted by Barbellthor
Columbia
Member since Aug 2015
8636 posts
Posted on 11/28/23 at 9:20 am to
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Personal problems

Personally, I think it was mostly on the coaches, not the player personnel.
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