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A Note on Tuxedo Rental
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:07 am
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:07 am
Just dropped $200 on a particular tuxedo required by the wedding party (pretty standard tuxedo).
What do you think the costs to develop this tuxedo are?
According to this report, the average budget hotel costs about $60k per room to develop, and I can get into one of those for $80 a night. This $60k figure is the building improvements and FF&E only, so I'm excluding land acquisition, soft costs and working capital.
Based on my $200 cost to rent the tuxedo for one night, I'd venture to bet the tuxedo rental company is recouping it's non-depreciated cost basis after only one or two rentals. Compared to other things you typically rent one day at a time (hotel, car, event building, etc.), does this not seem absolutely absurd?
What do you think the costs to develop this tuxedo are?
According to this report, the average budget hotel costs about $60k per room to develop, and I can get into one of those for $80 a night. This $60k figure is the building improvements and FF&E only, so I'm excluding land acquisition, soft costs and working capital.
Based on my $200 cost to rent the tuxedo for one night, I'd venture to bet the tuxedo rental company is recouping it's non-depreciated cost basis after only one or two rentals. Compared to other things you typically rent one day at a time (hotel, car, event building, etc.), does this not seem absolutely absurd?
This post was edited on 4/30/16 at 10:08 am
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:23 am to RedStickBR
Can reuse a car or hotel room many more times than a suit would be my thought
Even crazier that women buy a dress to wear once
Even crazier that women buy a dress to wear once
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:24 am to RedStickBR
I would imagine the start-up costs to be substantial. You'd need to have a variety of styles, sizes, and duplicates so if you get multiple orders of one size. You have to have a tailor to fix stuff people ruin.
While I'd imagine there is money to be made there, I don't think it's simple as buying a few tuxes and renting them out.
While I'd imagine there is money to be made there, I don't think it's simple as buying a few tuxes and renting them out.
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:27 am to RedStickBR
You and me both bud. Dropped $200 on one myself yesterday at After Five in Baton Rouge. It's a ridiculous price for a few hours of rental. My bro did it right when he got married and had everyone get a suit. At least I could wear it afterwards for different occasions and invested in something I could own.
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:46 am to The Easter Bunny
True, you can reuse a car or hotel for longer. That's why I referenced non-depreciated cost. Ignoring depreciation, these people are recouping their acquisition cost after only a few uses.
I checked online and the retail cost for the tuxedo I rented is $800, meaning it's probably safe to assume their wholesale cost is a good bit cheaper, say $600. They are recouping that after just three uses.
Even if each tuxedo only has ten uses (which is no doubt low as hell), that is a massive ROI. Overhead is low because most of these places operate out of a basic 800 sq ft box in a non-prime strip mall and employ just a couple of people at a time. If they are paying $600 for ten uses, that's $60 per use, which translates into a gross margin of 70% assuming $200 per rental. And again, ten uses is probably ridiculously low.
Moving down the income statement, we have already discussed real estate and labor costs. They probably do have some pretty heavy IT-related costs to keep track of all of their inventory. They will of course have heavy dry cleaning costs. I'm not sure what their distribution model is, but they either pay a lot in shipping, or they employ truck drivers which brings a whole new slew of costs into the equation.
That all said, any time you have a rental stream which pays your acquisition costs back in just a few days, that is pretty incredible.
I checked online and the retail cost for the tuxedo I rented is $800, meaning it's probably safe to assume their wholesale cost is a good bit cheaper, say $600. They are recouping that after just three uses.
Even if each tuxedo only has ten uses (which is no doubt low as hell), that is a massive ROI. Overhead is low because most of these places operate out of a basic 800 sq ft box in a non-prime strip mall and employ just a couple of people at a time. If they are paying $600 for ten uses, that's $60 per use, which translates into a gross margin of 70% assuming $200 per rental. And again, ten uses is probably ridiculously low.
Moving down the income statement, we have already discussed real estate and labor costs. They probably do have some pretty heavy IT-related costs to keep track of all of their inventory. They will of course have heavy dry cleaning costs. I'm not sure what their distribution model is, but they either pay a lot in shipping, or they employ truck drivers which brings a whole new slew of costs into the equation.
That all said, any time you have a rental stream which pays your acquisition costs back in just a few days, that is pretty incredible.
This post was edited on 4/30/16 at 10:48 am
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:49 am to RedStickBR
Yes, tux rentals are a joke. You pay a fortune to rent a cheap, poorly fitting garment that everyone can spot for what it is from a mile away.
Posted on 4/30/16 at 11:02 am to RedStickBR
I think you're misunderstanding overhead thing. Most of these places only rent the tuxedo, they don't own them. The tuxedo company will have a distribution center in which they use their own trucks for delivery to and from distribution center to shipping point.
For instance, Squires, which is one of the most popular in Louisiana, ships everything out of Shreveport.
For instance, Squires, which is one of the most popular in Louisiana, ships everything out of Shreveport.
Posted on 4/30/16 at 11:11 am to southernelite
Tuxedos To Geaux in Metairie will sell you a complete tuxedo with pants, shirt, coat, basic cuffs and lapel pins and a full vest for $169 out the door. With it comes lifetime alterations.
You heard that right. Lifetime alterations at no cost. Full tuxedo. $169 total.
Tuxedo rental shops are a joke and there are already locals who are disrupting the market. I can assure you Mr. Mel has the Mardi Gras crowd on lock. He also does a shite-ton of business at Catholic High in Baton Rouge, as well as the Greek System at LSU. In NOLA-especially with Endymion-his store does a staggering amount of business.
I'll repeat again...You're being ripped off renting a tux. Do some research into buying a tux. Every man should own one.
You heard that right. Lifetime alterations at no cost. Full tuxedo. $169 total.
Tuxedo rental shops are a joke and there are already locals who are disrupting the market. I can assure you Mr. Mel has the Mardi Gras crowd on lock. He also does a shite-ton of business at Catholic High in Baton Rouge, as well as the Greek System at LSU. In NOLA-especially with Endymion-his store does a staggering amount of business.
I'll repeat again...You're being ripped off renting a tux. Do some research into buying a tux. Every man should own one.
Posted on 4/30/16 at 12:14 pm to GFunk
You can buy an ill-fitting tux from JC Penny for $100 

Posted on 4/30/16 at 12:20 pm to GFunk
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Tuxedos To Geaux in Metairie
It is a good deal if you want a cheap looking tux for things like Mardi Gras balls.
Posted on 4/30/16 at 12:21 pm to RedStickBR
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Based on my $200 cost to rent the tuxedo for one night, I'd venture to bet the tuxedo rental company is recouping it's non-depreciated cost basis after only one or two rentals.
Which is why a gentleman owns his own formal wear, especially in Louisiana where Mardi Gras balls give you occasions to wear it every year.
Posted on 4/30/16 at 3:56 pm to Layabout
Agreed, but note I was referring to a "particular tuxedo required by the wedding party."
Posted on 5/2/16 at 10:14 pm to RedStickBR
you got raped so the groom could get his for free
Posted on 5/3/16 at 6:01 am to Gevans17
The local brick and mortar simply rents them from a national company that mails the correct size to them a week or so prior. The last wedding I was a groomsmen they sent the wrong size for one of the guys so they overnighter the right size.
I agree the prices are absurd. My wedding in 2009 the cost was $110 each groomsmen, not sure how they were so cheap but I purposefully got the least expensive rental and they looked just fine. Since then I've paid over $200 to rent one multiple times.
I'd say the cost to buy them is significantly lower $100-200. But the local shops just rent them from a national distributor.
I agree the prices are absurd. My wedding in 2009 the cost was $110 each groomsmen, not sure how they were so cheap but I purposefully got the least expensive rental and they looked just fine. Since then I've paid over $200 to rent one multiple times.
I'd say the cost to buy them is significantly lower $100-200. But the local shops just rent them from a national distributor.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 8:30 am to Layabout
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Which is why a gentleman owns his own formal wear, especially in Louisiana where Mardi Gras balls give you occasions to wear it every year.
Most weddings I have been in have required me to rent a tux even tho I own one.
I do agree that the current rental model is outdated and will probably be disrupted here shortly by better (cheaper) options.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 9:06 am to Layabout
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Which is why a gentleman owns his own formal wear, especially in Louisiana where Mardi Gras balls give you occasions to wear it every year.
I rented tails for a buddy's wedding, thinking they may have been different from the set I own. They weren't.....

Posted on 5/3/16 at 9:21 am to RedStickBR
So what you're saying is we need to create an app that allows for the rental of suits/tuxedos at a cost far cheaper than any retail menswear store? How has this not been done.
Edit: Found it BlackTux

Edit: Found it BlackTux
This post was edited on 5/3/16 at 9:24 am
Posted on 5/3/16 at 9:25 am to LSUShock
No, we need to stop allowing bridezillas to dictate that men in weddings wear someone else's clothing. It's not the effing junior prom. Why wouldn't quality dark suits be preferred to silly rented polyester blend formalwear?
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:03 am to hungryone
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No, we need to stop allowing bridezillas to dictate that men in weddings wear someone else's clothing. It's not the effing junior prom. Why wouldn't quality dark suits be preferred to silly rented polyester blend formalwear?
I'll say this: in every wedding I have stood in (about 10), my tux was cheaper, and in many cases, much cheaper, than the bridesmaid dress.
So if bridezillas aren't willing to throw their own girls a bone, which makes you think they give a hoot about the guys?
And in most places, the groom's tux is free, so he doesn't care either!!
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:11 am to RedStickBR
You must be in sme baller weddings. I don't think I've ever paid $200 to rent a tux... $150 sure.
Tux prices are seasonal and this is a popular season for weddings, proms, etc. Rent one in early Jan and you can catch a deal.
I have a friend of a friend that runs a tux shop that maintains his own inventory in a warehouse behind his store (i.e. he doesn't rent them). He maintains a supply of 500 tuxes (i.e. 500 shirts, jackets, pairs of shoes, etc). He never come close to renting out all at once, but, he has to have different styles in many different sizes. Remember also that people may be shaped to where they need dramatically different sizes for various pieces of the tux.
He told me he pays at wholesale an average of $500 for a full tax (including accessories) and $100 for a pair of shoes. After every use, the tux gets dry cleaned and the shoes get cleaned and polished and sprayed to prevent nasty foot fungus. Plus, he has to do repairs and more involved cleaning from time to time, plus costs of pressing. He says he can average 50 rentals out of a tux and 80 rentals out of a pair of shoes. Plus he can sometimes resell them when he feels their rental life is over, but he says he doesn't get much from that.
So I think it's a business with a fairly high initial cost and then your replacement costs... plus it's a cyclical business.
Tux prices are seasonal and this is a popular season for weddings, proms, etc. Rent one in early Jan and you can catch a deal.
I have a friend of a friend that runs a tux shop that maintains his own inventory in a warehouse behind his store (i.e. he doesn't rent them). He maintains a supply of 500 tuxes (i.e. 500 shirts, jackets, pairs of shoes, etc). He never come close to renting out all at once, but, he has to have different styles in many different sizes. Remember also that people may be shaped to where they need dramatically different sizes for various pieces of the tux.
He told me he pays at wholesale an average of $500 for a full tax (including accessories) and $100 for a pair of shoes. After every use, the tux gets dry cleaned and the shoes get cleaned and polished and sprayed to prevent nasty foot fungus. Plus, he has to do repairs and more involved cleaning from time to time, plus costs of pressing. He says he can average 50 rentals out of a tux and 80 rentals out of a pair of shoes. Plus he can sometimes resell them when he feels their rental life is over, but he says he doesn't get much from that.
So I think it's a business with a fairly high initial cost and then your replacement costs... plus it's a cyclical business.
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