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Do you invest yourself or use a firm such as Edward Jones?
Posted on 2/23/22 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 2/23/22 at 2:09 pm
Just curious as to what the average person does.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 2:27 pm to HeartAttackTiger
Either just do index investing on your own or if you need specific tax advice, estate advice, etc., use a fee based financial advisor. Edward Jones is garbage and just drains money from the same pool of people that buy lots of lotto tickets.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 3:14 pm to HeartAttackTiger
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Edward Jones
Oh Lord, you just set off the Money Talk know it alls.
Find a good advisor, regardless of firm. Talk to him/her. If you feel they’ll provide value, use one. If not, do it on your own.
The firm is irrelevant. Edward Jones has fee-based account options and great advisors, but they also have shitty ones. Same can be said of Raymond James, LPL, Ameriprise, Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, etc etc
This post was edited on 2/23/22 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 2/23/22 at 7:46 pm to HeartAttackTiger
quote:About half and half
Do you invest yourself or use a firm
Posted on 2/23/22 at 9:13 pm to HeartAttackTiger
I can tell you that this is not the place to get any financial advice. You are in trouble if you're looking here. Too many differences of opinion, mostly from people not qualified. Good luck


This post was edited on 2/23/22 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 2/24/22 at 8:50 am to JetsCoach
quote:Advice? or ideas? The OP seems to seek the latter.
this is not the place to get any financial advice
quote:There are plenty of qualified folks posting here.
mostly from people not qualified
quote:Differences of opinion are great.
Too many differences of opinion
It sounds like you strain to separate the wheat from the chaff, which is a different issue.
Posted on 2/25/22 at 9:20 am to JetsCoach
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I can tell you that this is not the place to get any financial advice. You are in trouble if you're looking here. Too many differences of opinion, mostly from people not qualified. Good luck
says the edward jones salesman


Posted on 2/25/22 at 9:26 am to HeartAttackTiger
For the average person, the most important aspect of investing isn’t picking the right investments; it’s controlling their emotions. If you do some real self reflection and believe you can control your emotions on your own, you have very little use for an advisor unless you are wealthy to the point that you need more exotic wealth planning. If you do said self reflection and acknowledge that you could probably use some help managing and overcoming your emotions, then a good advisor is probably worth the money.
Only you can decide which of those two camps you fall into.
Only you can decide which of those two camps you fall into.
Posted on 2/25/22 at 9:46 am to Joshjrn
I spend 500 dollars a year and belong to High Dividend Opportunities. However, I am retired and need to rely on portfolio income
Posted on 2/25/22 at 9:53 am to HeartAttackTiger
Financial advisors are completely useless. Just invest in index funds and ETFs. Everything you need to learn you can learn for free on YouTube. And any “financial advisor” that tries to sell you an annuity is a con man.
Posted on 2/25/22 at 9:59 am to HeartAttackTiger
quote:
Just curious as to what the average person does.
the "average" person doesn't invest at all.
the "average" investor that is getting started probably does use someone like edward jones for the peace of mind and lack of effort needed.
the people getting above average returns and seeing their money grow the most are generally not using someone like edward jones. EJ sucks, in my personal experience.
Posted on 2/25/22 at 10:21 am to HeartAttackTiger
I manage my 401k's investments myself. I've gotten a bit lucky with some stocks (XOM, VUG, etc) but am stuck upside down on a dog or two (get your shite together, SHAK!).
Posted on 2/25/22 at 1:09 pm to HeartAttackTiger
I have I think 6 clients that moved away from Edward Jones to work with me. No exaggeration, every single one of those EJ advisors was an embarrassment to the industry either intentionally or unintentionally (mostly intentionally).
Slackster says they have good advisors - he may be right, but I have yet to encounter anyone that has had a good EJ experience.
Additionally, you need to pay a competent fee-only (no commissions) advisor if you:
- are too emotionally affected by market movement
- don't know how much risk you should be taking
- need advice on other areas like estate, insurance, taxes, etc. (but, I repeat, don't work with someone selling those products...)
- don't feel like carrying the burden of making sure you are appropriately invested and prepared for various life stages and career moves
Those are just several reasons...
Last comment - the first question you need to ask is, "Are you paid commissions?" and then "Please explain every way you are paid." and then "Are you a fiduciary?".....they should have a VERY straight-forward and clear answer.
Slackster says they have good advisors - he may be right, but I have yet to encounter anyone that has had a good EJ experience.
Additionally, you need to pay a competent fee-only (no commissions) advisor if you:
- are too emotionally affected by market movement
- don't know how much risk you should be taking
- need advice on other areas like estate, insurance, taxes, etc. (but, I repeat, don't work with someone selling those products...)
- don't feel like carrying the burden of making sure you are appropriately invested and prepared for various life stages and career moves
Those are just several reasons...
Last comment - the first question you need to ask is, "Are you paid commissions?" and then "Please explain every way you are paid." and then "Are you a fiduciary?".....they should have a VERY straight-forward and clear answer.
This post was edited on 2/25/22 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 2/25/22 at 1:15 pm to Niner
quote:
Niner
This guy
quote:
21Dalrymple
Said you are useless
Posted on 2/25/22 at 1:38 pm to TDTOM
quote:I am useless to someone who does everything themselves. Don't pay someone for something you don't think you need.
This guy said you are useless
He frankly doesn't understand what I actually do, though. No harm no foul.
ETA: I do agree that any advisor trying to sell you an annuity is likely a con-man...
This post was edited on 2/25/22 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 2/25/22 at 1:45 pm to Niner
quote:
I am useless to someone who does everything themselves. Don't pay someone for something you don't think you need.
He frankly doesn't understand what I actually do, though. No harm no foul.
What a very diplomatic and boring response. I am trying to start some shite here to get me through the rest of my day.
Posted on 2/25/22 at 1:49 pm to HeartAttackTiger
I've got probably 65--70% of my portfolio with a guy who my dad worked with when he passed away while I was in school, then the rest I do on my own in a TDA account.
Posted on 2/25/22 at 4:23 pm to HeartAttackTiger
Personally, I do everything myself. Read Bogleheads' Guide to Investing. Plenty of information in there to help make an educated decision on what works best for you, including a chapter or two dedicated to this very question.
Most people don't need someone else to invest in index funds for them, but a financial advisor may be helpful in putting together your financial "plan." Once you have a plan, most of the pieces can be put together rather easily on your own, especially if you have a good lawyer and insurance agent who you prefer to use.
Most people don't need someone else to invest in index funds for them, but a financial advisor may be helpful in putting together your financial "plan." Once you have a plan, most of the pieces can be put together rather easily on your own, especially if you have a good lawyer and insurance agent who you prefer to use.
Posted on 2/25/22 at 4:40 pm to Niner
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I have I think 6 clients that moved away from Edward Jones to work with me. No exaggeration, every single one of those EJ advisors was an embarrassment to the industry either intentionally or unintentionally (mostly intentionally).
Edward Jones seems to be a lot like your average life insurance sales rep. They claim to be meeting the needs of each individual , but somehow every client walks away with the same products.
Posted on 2/25/22 at 4:51 pm to 21Dalrymple
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Financial advisors are completely useless. Just invest in index funds and ETFs. Everything you need to learn you can learn for free on YouTube. And any “financial advisor” that tries to sell you an annuity is a con man.
Under a certain net worth sure. But at some point, your time will be worth more than the fee you pay a financial advisor.
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