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Question about a 401k/taxes after switching companies

Posted on 7/25/24 at 11:28 am
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
88585 posts
Posted on 7/25/24 at 11:28 am
For the first time in my life I now have a job that does not have a retirement savings program. The last company I was at just switched their 401k provider over to Fidelity and that transfer just completed this week, so I do have access to log in there and see my full balance and all that. Since my current company doesn't have a program I assume it's just up to me to make regular contributions on my own to it but my question is about how taxes will work.

Every contribution that's been made into my balance up to now has come from funds that were taken out of my paycheck before it ever got to me. Any future contributions made to it will be from funds after I get my check. Does that mess things up somehow?
Posted by REB BEER
Laffy Yet
Member since Dec 2010
17048 posts
Posted on 7/25/24 at 12:18 pm to
You can no longer contribute to 401K from a previous employer. You need to open an IRA and start dumping money there.

It's also recommended that you roll the 401K into that account as well, so you will have control of it.
Posted by vistajay
Member since Oct 2012
2675 posts
Posted on 7/25/24 at 12:47 pm to
quote:

It's also recommended that you roll the 401K into that account as well, so you will have control of it.


But you'll pay taxes on the 401K rollover if you do that. Your tax rate today might be much higher than at retirement. I'd leave it in the Fidelity 401K at least for now, while you ponder the right approach for you.
This post was edited on 7/25/24 at 12:48 pm
Posted by Croacka
Denham Springs
Member since Dec 2008
61448 posts
Posted on 7/25/24 at 1:44 pm to
quote:

But you'll pay taxes on the 401K rollover if you do that.


not if you roll into a traditional IRA

you would only pay tax if you rolled it into a ROTH IRA, assuming your existing 401K is not Roth funds
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
88585 posts
Posted on 7/25/24 at 2:15 pm to
quote:

not if you roll into a traditional IRA


so I'll need to create a traditional IRA then move the existing funds into it. Does this mean that I can't contribute anymore to it unless/until I have another job that has an employer sponsored IRA program?

Can I just leave it sitting there at Fidelity or do I need to "classify" it (not sure the proper term to use here) in a particular way?
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
18955 posts
Posted on 7/25/24 at 3:02 pm to
You can create one at fidelity, or any other company/bank that carries them. I have heard Fidelity has some really good fund options, so if it’s easier for you, you can go with them.

You can discuss w the account rep at Fidelity, and they can handle the paperwork and the roll it over (so would other advisor/investment groups)

The rollover does not count towards your annual contributions, so you can still contribute this year. And to answer your question in the OP, since you’d be paying with after tax dollars there is an adjustment on the return that would allow you to reduce your taxable income.
Posted by WhiskeyThrottle
Weatherford Tx
Member since Nov 2017
6421 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 8:03 am to
I'm not sure if this is typical or not, but when my company got bought and changed our 401k provider, they left our existing account at the former company and started the new one over again. They placed our existing funds in a money market account that was making chit for gains. So, make sure you watch where they place it if you leave it.
Posted by gpburdell
ATL
Member since Jun 2015
1551 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 8:40 am to
quote:

so I'll need to create a traditional IRA then move the existing funds into it.


You'll need to create a "rollover ira" and transfer 401k into that. Fidelity has a nice page explaining your options for a 401k.

https://www.fidelity.com/building-savings/learn-about-iras/401k-rollover-options
Posted by thegreatboudini
Member since Oct 2008
6903 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 8:48 am to
quote:

But you'll pay taxes on the 401K rollover if you do that. Your tax rate today might be much higher than at retirement. I'd leave it in the Fidelity 401K at least for now, while you ponder the right approach for you.


OP, please just don't listen to this dumbass.

Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
88585 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 9:24 am to
quote:

You'll need to create a "rollover ira" and transfer 401k into that. Fidelity has a nice page explaining your options for a 401k.


Good deal thank you.
Posted by Victor R Franko
Member since Dec 2021
756 posts
Posted on 7/27/24 at 9:44 pm to
WG, what previous posters are taking about is you rolling 401k funds into a Fidelity Self Directed IRA. Seems you have limited knowledge, but keeping learning. I would suggest that you call Fidelity and talk to an agent, or just drop in one of their offices and talk to someone. Basically, Fidelity will get the 401k information from you, you'll fill out forms for new account and authorizing Fidelity to talk to 401k company. 401k company and Fidelity will work together to move your 401k money to your new self directed IRA.
After creating the new Fidelity account, you can trade and invest as you please.
I hope this helps you. About 30 years ago I was in a similar position as you. I'm now in early 60s, been retired a couple of years, and no financial worries.

BTW, roll over ira is what you would be doing, and creating the self directed ira account.
This post was edited on 7/27/24 at 9:48 pm
Posted by KWL85
Member since Mar 2023
2223 posts
Posted on 7/28/24 at 7:57 am to
Agree except on rolling the old 401k into it. This would depend on if you are happy with the old account and the fees associated with it. I left my old 401 with my old company. It has/is doing very well and has very low fees.

I would also recommend OP to consider opening both traditional IRA and a Roth IRA and fund both.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39080 posts
Posted on 7/28/24 at 12:16 pm to
quote:

I would also recommend OP to consider opening both traditional IRA and a Roth IRA and fund both.


Just remember the annual contribution limit applied to both types. You only get one limit to spread out.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39080 posts
Posted on 7/28/24 at 12:18 pm to
quote:

For the first time in my life I now have a job that does not have a retirement savings program


Is it an extremely small company?

Why do they not? 401(k) pll lol abs have come down in cost.

Do you have any other benefits?

The problem is you can contribute a lot more to a 401(k) vs a Roth or Trad IRA.
Posted by Free888
Member since Oct 2019
2405 posts
Posted on 7/28/24 at 6:17 pm to
OP, please meet with a Fidelity representative. You’re getting all kinds of advice here that could just confuse you. Bottom line:
-401k gets rolled over into a traditional IRA. You won’t pay taxes on this event.
-If you are planning after tax contributions moving forward, that should be put into a Roth. This is where it’s important to talk to Fidelity. If your planning to reduce your tax burden by using “after tax” money to contribute to the Traditional IRA, then you really need to work with them to understand that financial impact of that vs a Roth.
Posted by Klondikekajun
Member since Jun 2020
1404 posts
Posted on 7/28/24 at 7:48 pm to
quote:

It's also recommended that you roll the 401K into that account as well, so you will have control of it.


Typically yes, however there are certain advantages of keeping funds in a 401K vs an IRA.

Such as the ability to withdraw penalty free at 59.5 years old.

I’d talk to an advisor about your particular situation before doing anything if I were you.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4292 posts
Posted on 7/29/24 at 7:57 am to
One can make withdrawals from both an IRA and a 401k penalty free at 59.5.

But I agree that it wouldn’t hurt for him to discuss his overall situation with an advisor.
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