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Timber land as an investment
Posted on 4/18/22 at 11:30 am
Posted on 4/18/22 at 11:30 am
Can anyone share tips on how they have purchased acreage and made returns off of timber? When you purchase a property what are you looking for? What do you look to pay per acre of timber land? Any other advice you would give to someone looking to purchase land. I am looking go get a few hundred acres in TX to hunt and try to make some money selling timber.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 12:28 pm to JL
Only my experience, but I've recently sold 2 tracts (80 acres and 25 acres), both of which had hunting leases.
We had placed these parcels into a family trust several years ago, so the proceeds went into the Trust. We sold the 80-acre parcel to the individual we had the hunting lease with, so no real estate folks involved.
Over the years, we harvested timber (slash pine and longleaf pine) off of the tracts to reputable timber processors. We used local companies for replanting, underbrush clearing/controlled-burning, and periodic inspection. Both properties were zoned Agricultural (tree farm) and the receipts for all work were claimed against income generated for the property. Taxes were low/modest, and paid annually. Hope that helps ...
Also, as a hassle-free way to invest in timber, I recommend Catchmark Timber Trust (CTT)
We had placed these parcels into a family trust several years ago, so the proceeds went into the Trust. We sold the 80-acre parcel to the individual we had the hunting lease with, so no real estate folks involved.
Over the years, we harvested timber (slash pine and longleaf pine) off of the tracts to reputable timber processors. We used local companies for replanting, underbrush clearing/controlled-burning, and periodic inspection. Both properties were zoned Agricultural (tree farm) and the receipts for all work were claimed against income generated for the property. Taxes were low/modest, and paid annually. Hope that helps ...
Also, as a hassle-free way to invest in timber, I recommend Catchmark Timber Trust (CTT)
This post was edited on 4/18/22 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 4/18/22 at 12:32 pm to JL
Timber really has been minor in the last 20 years when it comes to the investment side of it. Timber today is mainly cut to benefit the recreational side of your land than anything else unless you have thousands of acres to cut timber on a cycle to provide the income needed. Timber prices are all over board and it’s about timing due to high fuel costs, being close to mills, etc. When you are looking to buy land, you need to look at the wildlife/recreational side more than anything else and just know that when it is time to cut it will bring some money back in your pocket but it is not like it used to be 20 years ago and you must cut to benefit your property for recreational resale. I graduated LSU in forestry and I help people find and sell timberland/hunting land all throughout Louisiana and Mississippi and nearly 99% of buyers are looking for a deer hunting investment, not timber. Best investment in the world is land and if you manage for what the market wants, you can’t lose.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 12:41 pm to Glovebox
What year baw? Dr. Cao still holding it down
(He nailed it, unless you have a monster piece of property the best you are hoping for is to offset operating costs)
(He nailed it, unless you have a monster piece of property the best you are hoping for is to offset operating costs)
This post was edited on 4/18/22 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 4/18/22 at 3:15 pm to JL
In my experience (in Louisiana) the difference in price per acre of a place with good timber and a place without is not as significant as many would think. Given the choice it would thus make sense to buy the more mature growth.
Price per acre has way too many variables to make a guess at what’s reasonable (especially with today’s inflationary rates). Just shop around on all the sites for your local area and consider that to be the current ceiling. Anything you make an offer on or buy ought to be cheaper.
Price per acre has way too many variables to make a guess at what’s reasonable (especially with today’s inflationary rates). Just shop around on all the sites for your local area and consider that to be the current ceiling. Anything you make an offer on or buy ought to be cheaper.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 4:45 pm to JL
What does land go for in the area and what is the timber value? From all my figuring, timber income really doesn’t do much to justify the investment, compared to other investment avenues, as recreational value has inflated land prices. And my figuring is on a hardwood tract that has been managed for prime saw timber production for 50 years. It only pencils out as being better than a savings account and that’s IF you aren’t financing much. The only possible way to justify it as an investment compared to more conventional avenues and recent stock market history is if you derive significant personal enjoyment from it. For example, if your land note is $20k a year, but it keeps you from joining a $15k lease — ok maybe it pencils out better.
Now, if carbon credits take off …
ETA: To specifically answer your questions, you need to do some IRR calcs and understand what type of return you’re really hoping to get, whether this is really an investment, or a recreational endeavor. No one can provide answers that are really significant to your specific area. In my area, land is about $3k/ac and up. Complete wet weather access is a must for me as a buyer. I’ll make money when I sell the land I currently own. The above-average timber value, relative to price, was how I justified the price of this particular tract, but its location and recreational opportunities are what will end up making it a decent investment when I decide to sell, based on the current market.
Now, if carbon credits take off …
ETA: To specifically answer your questions, you need to do some IRR calcs and understand what type of return you’re really hoping to get, whether this is really an investment, or a recreational endeavor. No one can provide answers that are really significant to your specific area. In my area, land is about $3k/ac and up. Complete wet weather access is a must for me as a buyer. I’ll make money when I sell the land I currently own. The above-average timber value, relative to price, was how I justified the price of this particular tract, but its location and recreational opportunities are what will end up making it a decent investment when I decide to sell, based on the current market.
This post was edited on 4/18/22 at 8:25 pm
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