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100 Greatest NFL QBs of all-time according to Football Perspective
Posted on 7/20/18 at 7:55 pm
Posted on 7/20/18 at 7:55 pm
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1. Peyton Manning
Pretty clearly the greatest statistical quarterback of all time, and for me personally, the most visually impressive and fun to watch, but also a pioneer who changed the way the position is played. Everything Tom Brady and Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers do well, Manning did first.
I’ve described the Brady-Manning debate as religious: people believe that one or the other is better, in a way that forms part of their self-identity. From that perspective, disagreements can not derive from weighting variables differently or from reasonable disagreement, and people on the other side are accused of bias. I don’t entirely exclude myself from that. It’s very hard for me to understand pro-Brady arguments without linking them to a pre-existing preference for that outcome. Maybe I’m doing the same thing on the other side, without realizing it.
But I’m not a Colts fan, or an AFC East rival, or a Vol or a Buckeye. I don’t especially like Tom Brady — he doesn’t seem like a nice person — but I don’t especially like Peyton Manning, either. Dan Marino seems to make enemies more easily than friends. I rank Fran Tarkenton much higher than most people, and I have problems with him, too. Maybe I’m wrong about these guys; I’ve never met them and I could probably be persuaded that they’re great people. But there’s no reason for me to artificially downgrade Brady so I can boost one or more of the others.
I believe that Super Bowl wins are a team stat, not an individual stat. I think that Joe Montana and Bart Starr were better postseason players than Brady. I think Manning’s personnel advantages are insufficient to explain his vastly superior regular-season statistics and postseason honors (All-Pro, etc.), and I’m not aware of meaningful evidence that domed stadiums have a major influence on passing statistics. Perhaps I have misjudged one or more of those factors, but this ranking is based on what I think, not what I feel.
2. Tom Brady
3. Otto Graham
4. Dan Marino
5. Johnny Unitas
6. Joe Montana
Three years ago, I ranked Tom Brady 7th. I stand by that ranking. At the time, Brady had four 2,000-TSP seasons, five 1,800-TSP seasons, and six 1,600-TSP seasons. Those are excellent numbers, but they don’t compare to Manning (10, 13, 14), Marino (7, 9, 11), Montana (7, 8, 8), Unitas (7, 8, 8), or even Graham (5, 7, 8), who played only 10 professional seasons. Brady’s teams had won four Super Bowls, and I ranked him significantly higher than Terry Bradshaw or Bart Starr, who had similar championship résumés and superior postseason stats.
Since then, however, Brady has had three great seasons (he’s up to 5, 8, 9 in the counts above) and played well in two more Super Bowls. He’s played twice as many games as Graham, and he’s done more than Montana with fewer weapons.
7. Fran Tarkenton
If I included Sammy Baugh in these rankings, he’d rate about the same as Tarkenton. I didn’t include Baugh or his peers in this ranking, though, because it’s almost apples to oranges. Baugh played under different rules, in an era with different offensive philosophies, and he had to play 60 minutes. He was a standout defensive back and the best punter of his era. Purely as an offensive player, I think he’s in the same ballpark as Tarkenton, but it’s a difficult comparison to make with any confidence, because their situations were so different and there’s so little film of Baugh.
8. Steve Young
9. Drew Brees
10. Brett Favre
Because he succeeded Joe Montana, Steve Young’s consistent record of winning games, and his historic performance in Super Bowl XXIX, tend to get glossed over. The 49ers went 91-33 in games started by Young (.740), compared to 100-39 (.719) for Montana. In his lone Super Bowl start, Young passed for 325 yards and 6 TDs, plus he led all rushers with five runs for 49 yards.
At the same time, those of us interested in analytics sometimes get carried away praising Young. He was not impressive with the USFL’s L.A. Express, or with the Buccaneers. In Tampa, Young’s teams went 3-16; he threw twice as many INTs as TDs and had a 63.1 passer rating. There’s an argument to be made that he was a product of the 49ers’ system and personnel. Young’s teams were successful in the postseason (8-5), but never won a playoff game on the road, and repeatedly suffered disappointing home losses. Young’s Niners went 1-2 in the playoffs against Dallas and 1-3 against Green Bay — five of those seven games were in San Francisco — with Young held below a 70 passer rating in all four games against the Packers.
11. Roger Staubach
12. John Elway
13. Sonny Jurgensen
14. Norm Van Brocklin
15. Warren Moon
16. Aaron Rodgers
17. Dan Fouts
18. Bobby Layne
19. Bart Starr
20. Terry Bradshaw
21. Y.A. Tittle
There have been 13 or 14 first-ballot HOF modern-era QBs: Bobby Layne, Bart Starr, Johnny Unitas, George Blanda (QB/K), Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Dan Fouts, Joe Montana, John Elway, Dan Marino, Steve Young, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon, and Brett Favre. Aikman is the only one rated below this tier. Of the nine players in or above this tier who were not first-ballot HOFers, four are not yet eligible (Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers) and one retired before the Hall of Fame opened but was quickly inducted, with his status never really in doubt (Graham). The others are Tarkenton (3rd ballot), Jurgensen (4th), Van Brocklin (6th), and Tittle (2nd). Among those four, only Van Brocklin ever won a professional championship. The voters put a lot of weight on team success, though this is somewhat less true than it used to be. Fouts was the first opening-ballot Hall of Fame QB without multiple league titles.
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Posted on 7/20/18 at 7:58 pm to Bench McElroy
Where's Quincy Carter on the list?
Posted on 7/20/18 at 7:58 pm to Bench McElroy
quote:
1. Peyton Manning

Posted on 7/20/18 at 8:00 pm to Bench McElroy
Romo not in the top 5 is a fricking joke 

Posted on 7/20/18 at 8:11 pm to Bench McElroy
quote:
1. Peyton Manning


Posted on 7/20/18 at 8:12 pm to Bench McElroy
quote:
1. Peyton Manning
quote:
2. Tom Brady

Posted on 7/20/18 at 8:17 pm to Bench McElroy
Saw who was first and immediately didn’t care about the rest of the rankings.
Posted on 7/20/18 at 8:17 pm to Bench McElroy
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15. Warren Moon
16. Aaron Rodgers

Posted on 7/20/18 at 8:22 pm to Bench McElroy
As a Houston fan
WTF
quote:
15. Warren Moon
16. Aaron Rodgers
WTF

This post was edited on 7/20/18 at 8:22 pm
Posted on 7/20/18 at 9:28 pm to Bench McElroy
Elway too low.
Favre too high
Favre too high
Posted on 7/20/18 at 9:56 pm to Kel Varnsen
I thought I was going see a non-Peyton #1 and call the list trash. So pleasantly surprised.
Montana is still too high at #6 though and Starr is too low. They should be lumped together in the 9-12 range.
Montana is still too high at #6 though and Starr is too low. They should be lumped together in the 9-12 range.
This post was edited on 7/20/18 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 7/20/18 at 9:57 pm to Bench McElroy
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6. Joe Montana

Forget Manning and Brady and today's era.
Montana was considered the best QB ever and now he's retroactively worse than Graham and Marino and Unitas?
What did Montana do in his retirement to be demoted?
Posted on 7/20/18 at 10:07 pm to Bench McElroy
Brady too high, Rodgers way too low
Posted on 7/20/18 at 10:14 pm to MusclesofBrussels
Anyone who would take Favre over Rodgers is automatically discredited in my opinion. Favre threw soul crippling interceptions at the worst possible times too often for my liking.
Posted on 7/20/18 at 10:14 pm to slackster
I wonder how much credit Moon gets for the 6 years the NFL wouldn't let him play QB. So he went to Canada and won 5 championships, while becoming the first QB to ever throw for 5K in a season..
Posted on 7/20/18 at 10:15 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
No one smart ever ranked Montana
over Marino
over Marino
Posted on 7/20/18 at 10:23 pm to VADawg
quote:fify
Favre threw a soul endearing interception at the best possible time for my liking.

This post was edited on 7/20/18 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 7/20/18 at 10:29 pm to Crow Pie
That WTF throw against the Saints was not the first time he had ever made a stupid play like that. Remember the horribly underthrown out route against the Giants in overtime of the 2007 NFCCG?
Posted on 7/20/18 at 10:29 pm to Bench McElroy
quote:End of thread.
1. Peyton Manning
FYTB.
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