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Posted on 7/23/24 at 1:08 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
quote:Pretty sure every other driver who was asked about it yesterday and today said they were told they could go above the first line but they could not have their tires over the second line and go onto the racing surface. Chase had all four tires completely over the line and got docked. Kyle had none over the line though he did touch it with his lefts. Brad got two over the line and got docked. He literally went onto the surface in front of the leader when he had a whole nother turn before he could blend.
a bullshite penalty
What is the other BS call, because that and speeding both appear pretty cut and dry.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 1:14 pm to MikeHoncho47
quote:Just move to a Delaware restart if one of the leaders has to drop out like that going to the green.
Maybe don’t move the lanes forward?
Posted on 7/23/24 at 2:05 pm to AwesomeSauce
quote:
What is the other BS call, because that and speeding both appear pretty cut and dry.
I acknowledged that the speeding penalty last week was legit.
The penalty at COTA was the other one that I was referring to.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 2:17 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
quote:Got you, when you said twice in a month my mind was trying to think. I can understand the argument that it was not intentional, but at the same time he came into the esses too hot and wheel hopped and used the area outside of track limits to gather himself and not lose too much speed. Intentional or not by not assessing the penalty NASCAR is saying if you come in too hot then the track gets extended for you, which would then become a point that would be exploited. I think that is the only one that isn't cut and dry because I can see the argument. At the same time I understand why NASCAR had to issue the penalty.
The penalty at COTA was the other one that I was referring to
Posted on 7/23/24 at 2:24 pm to AwesomeSauce
The rule about entering the track at Indy was poorly worded, which led to broad interpretation, and it was poorly communicated to the drivers, which Chase brought up in his tirade.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 2:44 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
quote:I think he lost his place on the track and was going balls out to stay ahead of the 11 when he blended and didn't realize how high he went. I was not in the driver's meeting. I have only heard several drivers being interviewed on SXM and the like over the last couple of days, and they have all pretty much said the same thing. They all say they were told they could go above the first line, but that if they had a tire over the second line onto the racing surface they would be penalized. Chase went above the second line with the leader coming. He f'd up but it was early enough they were able to rebound.
The rule about entering the track at Indy was poorly worded, which led to broad interpretation, and it was poorly communicated to the drivers, which Chase brought up in his tirade.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 3:27 pm to Tigertown in ATL
Turned on some of the race. This car is awful.
Watching a car that can't pass go around a track that is 10% full really sucks. Wish they would just take the Xfinity cars and make them the Cup cars. Good racing every week.
Watching a car that can't pass go around a track that is 10% full really sucks. Wish they would just take the Xfinity cars and make them the Cup cars. Good racing every week.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 4:16 pm to AwesomeSauce
From what Chase said they were told the "racing surface".Nothing was ever conveyed about the 2nd line.
I don't doubt that you're wrong but NASCAR still should have communicated better.
I don't doubt that you're wrong but NASCAR still should have communicated better.
Posted on 7/24/24 at 9:21 am to Roll Tide Ravens
Landon Cassill is ragging on Denny Hamlin for pleading that teams need more money from NASCAR.
Interview on “The Money Lap,” cited on X.
”NASCAR is not making you hire 100 engineers. NASCAR is not making you rent private jets. NASCAR is not making you spend $250,000 on a pit box.”
Denny responded:
”About 8 engineers. No private jet. (Although he was busted later and copped to owning a private jet as the driver of No. 11 and not the owner of 23XL.)
”$13 million hard cost. $5 million to be competitive.
”We could cut some aesthetic cost but have you seen 3/4 of the Xfinity garage? Amazing experience that would be for our sponsors.”
The response, and remember this is Twitter, is basically that NASCAR droolz and the teams rule, teams should spend whatever it takes to entertain the fans, how dare backmarker scum like Landon Cassill chime in on this, couldn’t they get Carl Long? And the Frances need to sell NASCAR. And competitors in other professional sports don’t have to pay to get into the show.
Denny followed up by saying the $18 million doesn’t include the driver’s salary and that teams “opened their books to NASCAR to show exactly what it was spent on and that it wasn’t excessive and NASCAR management agreed it wasn’t excessive.”
He said teams today need a business office, marketing department, social media department and sponsorship department to function and that’s also above and beyond the $18 million to put a competitive car on the track. Said it’s a necessity both for teams to operate and to grow the sport.
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Interview on “The Money Lap,” cited on X.
”NASCAR is not making you hire 100 engineers. NASCAR is not making you rent private jets. NASCAR is not making you spend $250,000 on a pit box.”
Denny responded:
”About 8 engineers. No private jet. (Although he was busted later and copped to owning a private jet as the driver of No. 11 and not the owner of 23XL.)
”$13 million hard cost. $5 million to be competitive.
”We could cut some aesthetic cost but have you seen 3/4 of the Xfinity garage? Amazing experience that would be for our sponsors.”
The response, and remember this is Twitter, is basically that NASCAR droolz and the teams rule, teams should spend whatever it takes to entertain the fans, how dare backmarker scum like Landon Cassill chime in on this, couldn’t they get Carl Long? And the Frances need to sell NASCAR. And competitors in other professional sports don’t have to pay to get into the show.
Denny followed up by saying the $18 million doesn’t include the driver’s salary and that teams “opened their books to NASCAR to show exactly what it was spent on and that it wasn’t excessive and NASCAR management agreed it wasn’t excessive.”
He said teams today need a business office, marketing department, social media department and sponsorship department to function and that’s also above and beyond the $18 million to put a competitive car on the track. Said it’s a necessity both for teams to operate and to grow the sport.
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Posted on 7/24/24 at 10:17 am to InkStainedWretch
quote:I don't like Denny, but he has a dog in the hunt and much like Dale Jr has a vested interest in the future of the sport and is looking to move it forward. He and other owners have every right to complain that the charters they buy are not permanent and that the teams have no say in the governance. This is a very real possibility these teams are facing down that if they don't have a deal in place then NASCAR will pull their charters and give it to someone willing to take the deal.
Comments?
I can agree with Cassil's questioning, but ultimately think Hamlin and the other owners have solid points as to why they should either have their status as partners cemented with permanent charters and the ability to have a say in governance, or they deserve a bigger cut of the pie to offset the risk they are taking.
Posted on 7/24/24 at 11:16 am to InkStainedWretch
Like I said, I'm not a fan of Denny and some of his antics as a driver, but Denny as an owner is needed much like Tony was before he decided to stop giving AF and decided to move his interest and investment to the other outlets he has. I listen to Actions Detrimental weekly on some of my longer runs, and Denny definitely complains as a driver, but a lot of his points seem pretty valid through the eyes of an owner.
Posted on 7/24/24 at 11:21 am to InkStainedWretch
Dave Marcus said he got out of the sport when it got to the point that you had to have a plane.
Is NASCAR headed to a CART-style revolt?
Is NASCAR headed to a CART-style revolt?
Posted on 7/24/24 at 11:53 am to FightinTigersDammit
Dave lived in a house trailer like until the 1990s because it suited him. Great guy who was in this to race, not to become a jillionaire or a brand.
Posted on 7/24/24 at 12:03 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
Fightin Tigers I don't know if you've seen this but this is an outrageously cool video from earlier this year of Dave Marcis giving someone a tour of his old race shop.
This is what a race shop should look like.
Dave was still building street rods for people up until a few years ago, I've not seen any recent activity on his Facebook page for that operation though.
Marcis shop tour
This is what a race shop should look like.
Dave was still building street rods for people up until a few years ago, I've not seen any recent activity on his Facebook page for that operation though.
Marcis shop tour
Posted on 7/24/24 at 2:10 pm to InkStainedWretch
Kinda surprised Dave didn't get more help from Roger Penske over the years. He drove for Roger, and shook down the IROC cars for years
Posted on 7/24/24 at 2:23 pm to FightinTigersDammit
Also shook down stuff for Childress and Dale Sr. totally trusted his take on things.
Posted on 7/24/24 at 3:00 pm to InkStainedWretch
quote:
Also shook down stuff for Childress and Dale Sr. totally trusted his take on things.
Larry Mac was on Dale Jr.’s podcast a couple of years ago and did a tell all on the 1998 Daytona 500. He said they build Dale’s winning car in the summer of 1997 and they took it to the wind tunnel in Detroit on a Monday after a Sunday race at Michigan. They were amazed at how little drag the car had (something they couldn’t even replicate). Sometime later in the summer or fall of 97, Dave Marcis tested the car at Talladega. He ran a few laps and came back in and told Larry that Dale was going to love that car. He said that the car didn’t lose an RPM when he drove it into the turns. Sure enough, that car finally delivered Dale his long-awaited Daytona 500 victory.
This post was edited on 7/24/24 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 7/25/24 at 1:11 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
Looks like Corey Lajoie is done at Spire.
Lot of rumors that Kyle Busch is going over there.
Lot of rumors that Kyle Busch is going over there.
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