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Interception run out the back of the end zone question
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:41 pm
I find this board to be usually all over random rules, so I thought it could make for an interesting question.
I coach 6v6 flag football for my son's school. the boys in his grade talk a big game about beating the girls in his grade in volleyball. they did indeed beat the girls as you'd expect outside of not having great serving.
so for fun, they agreed to a flag football game. mostly was all in good sport.
one girl intercepted a ball in the endzone, ran around to not get her flag pulled, and then accidentally ran outside the back of her own end zone. she did not come out of the end zone.
my first thought was touchback. if you intercept and kneel, run out of bounds, or are tackled, then it's obviously a TB. if you come out of the end zone and go back in by your own momentum and are tackled then it's a safety. if you come out but the defense momentum takes you back in, it's not a safety.
everything i can find that gets into anything questionable is about momentum on being tackled back into the end zone or getting to the sideline (you'd just kneel anyways.) only other scenario is fumbling out the back of the end zone. I feel like the back of the end zone is different than out of bounds, but could be wrong.
it's a dumb question based on a non-consequential game, but was curious. could be just as easy as "back of end zone is out of bounds."
I coach 6v6 flag football for my son's school. the boys in his grade talk a big game about beating the girls in his grade in volleyball. they did indeed beat the girls as you'd expect outside of not having great serving.
so for fun, they agreed to a flag football game. mostly was all in good sport.
one girl intercepted a ball in the endzone, ran around to not get her flag pulled, and then accidentally ran outside the back of her own end zone. she did not come out of the end zone.
my first thought was touchback. if you intercept and kneel, run out of bounds, or are tackled, then it's obviously a TB. if you come out of the end zone and go back in by your own momentum and are tackled then it's a safety. if you come out but the defense momentum takes you back in, it's not a safety.
everything i can find that gets into anything questionable is about momentum on being tackled back into the end zone or getting to the sideline (you'd just kneel anyways.) only other scenario is fumbling out the back of the end zone. I feel like the back of the end zone is different than out of bounds, but could be wrong.
it's a dumb question based on a non-consequential game, but was curious. could be just as easy as "back of end zone is out of bounds."
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Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:50 pm to 3nOut
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touchback
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:52 pm to 3nOut
100% a touchback. Feel like ive seen this happen before
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:53 pm to 3nOut
Did she intercept and then attempt to run it back and then run out of the back of the end zone? I thought the rule was you don’t get to change your mind and decide you want a touchback after you’ve decided to try and return it (not saying this girl deliberately did this just asking).
Your post makes it sound like it was bang bang and her momentum took her out, that would definitely be a touchback
Your post makes it sound like it was bang bang and her momentum took her out, that would definitely be a touchback
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 9/12/22 at 1:04 pm to 3nOut
It's absolutely a touchback. It's only a safety if she leaves on her own then decides to go back into the endzone.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 1:05 pm to 3nOut
If she never left the endzone it's a touchback.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 1:09 pm to 3nOut
I don't beleive that the boys beat the girls in volleyball unless they have boys that have actually played before.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 1:09 pm to JumpingTheShark
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Your post makes it sound like it was bang bang and her momentum took her out, that would definitely be a touchback
she was zig zagging and avoiding being tackled. probably a good 3 seconds of running around then tried to circle wide and ran back.
bang bang is accurate, but she definitely made several "football moves" before stepping out.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 1:10 pm to KosmoCramer
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I don't beleive that the boys beat the girls in volleyball unless they have boys that have actually played before.
they definitely did. their PE teacher the last couple of years has been the volleyball coach so they've played a fair amount. their only achilles heel was serving.
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 9/12/22 at 1:12 pm to 3nOut
Serving is the number one predictor of success in volleyball at that level.
So this was PE, not like the 6th grade girls team vs a group of random 6th grade boys?
So this was PE, not like the 6th grade girls team vs a group of random 6th grade boys?
Posted on 9/12/22 at 1:14 pm to KosmoCramer
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So this was PE, not like the 6th grade girls team vs a group of random 6th grade boys?
7th grade, but yes. they aren't in PE together anymore as it's athletics now.
tight knit small private school, so they get together for sports days like this pretty regularly. this is just the first year that they're separated because of athletics.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 2:15 pm to JumpingTheShark
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I thought the rule was you don’t get to change your mind and decide you want a touchback after you’ve decided to try and return it (not saying this girl deliberately did this just asking).
This would be no different then catching the interception in the back of the endzone, advancing 5-6 yards, then kneeling. The player made the catch, stepped forward 2-3 times to advance, and saw where the opposing team was and changed their mind. As long as she never left the endzone, she can do whatever she wants
*flag does/can have some screwy rules about if the ball crosses over into the filed of play, and she pulls it back (while she remains in the endzone). Or, if she partially steps out but her hips never cross the line. But, other than these 2 possibilities, I am certain it would be a touchback at every level
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 9/12/22 at 3:42 pm to 3nOut
Y'all are missing the key point here:
Anytime you run out of the back of your own end zone, it's a safety. Here is a pro example:
Browns QB accidentally runs out of own end zone for a safety
Often, this is done INTENTIONALLY near the end of the game, maybe most notably in the Ravens/49ers Super Bowl in New Orleans. Here is a compilation of them in the NFL:
NFL intential safeties compilation
Boys team should have been awarded two points, girls team has to free kick (no chance to block the kick or punt) back to the boys from their own (girls) 20 yard line.
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and then accidentally ran outside the back of her own end zone.
Anytime you run out of the back of your own end zone, it's a safety. Here is a pro example:
Browns QB accidentally runs out of own end zone for a safety
Often, this is done INTENTIONALLY near the end of the game, maybe most notably in the Ravens/49ers Super Bowl in New Orleans. Here is a compilation of them in the NFL:
NFL intential safeties compilation
Boys team should have been awarded two points, girls team has to free kick (no chance to block the kick or punt) back to the boys from their own (girls) 20 yard line.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 3:52 pm to KosmoCramer
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I don't beleive that the boys beat the girls in volleyball unless they have boys that have actually played before.
They still won’t frick you cosmo, Jesus Christ
Posted on 9/12/22 at 3:56 pm to BRich
Having possession of the ball as a QB and running out of the back of your endzone is completely different from making an interception and going out of the back of the endzone. As the QB you started with possession of the ball outside of the endzone, and then went into the endzone. In this example the whole of the possession of the ball occurred while the girl was in the endzone.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 4:02 pm to BRich
Show me an example where the ball is intercepted or possession is taken by the defender in the end zone and they call it a safety. You can't.
Touchback is the right call unless she left the end zone and went into the field of play at any point.
Touchback is the right call unless she left the end zone and went into the field of play at any point.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 4:02 pm to 3nOut
If she intercepted the pass at let's say the 2 and her momentum carried her into the EZ and she was tackled there then the ball would come back out to the momentum spot(which is marked by a beanbag), which is the 2.
Momentum exception applies from the 5 and in.
Momentum exception applies from the 5 and in.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 4:03 pm to TheRouxGuru
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They still won’t frick you cosmo, Jesus Christ
Firstly, wtf.
Secondly, you don't think that 7th grade girls that have played volleyball for a few years, would likely beat a group of 7th grade boys that have never played before?
Posted on 9/12/22 at 5:06 pm to BRich
Uhhhhh no dude. All of those examples start outside of the end zone. It’s not a safety to intercept a ball in the end zone lol.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 5:20 pm to BRich
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Anytime you run out of the back of your own end zone, it's a safety. Here is a pro example:
Incorrect. Intercepting a pass in the endzone or catching a kick/punt in the endzone and then running it out of the back of the endzone is a touchback. The reason a QB (or punter) running out of the back of the endzone is a safety is because their team has possession and the play begins outside of the endzone. If you gain possession in the endzone (by interception or catching a kick/punt), you can run out of the endzone and have a touchback unless you leave the endzone.
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 5:28 pm
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