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re: Iowa is a top 5 state for NFL talent

Posted on 7/29/24 at 10:12 pm to
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
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Posted on 7/29/24 at 10:12 pm to
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Is the “per capita” based on just the males in the state? If not LA is even stronger


That map is so full of inaccuracies and wouldn't trust any of its conclusions.

Even if it was semi accurate does anyone really care if Iowa is one the best state "per capital" in producing NFL players?
This post was edited on 7/30/24 at 8:48 am
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
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Posted on 7/30/24 at 6:50 am to
Something a loser would say

Posted by Nado Jenkins83
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Posted on 7/30/24 at 6:52 am to


Iowa isn't. Pretty much tied with georgia

Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 7/30/24 at 7:17 am to
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Iowa isn't. Pretty much tied with georgia


From a per capita perspective it may be.

Population of Georgia: 10.91 Million
Population of Greater Atlanta area: 6.93 Million
Population of Iowa: 3.2 Million
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
87649 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 8:21 am to
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Stop with the "per capita" garbage

It means jack squat in the scheme of things


you were downvoted into oblivion even though you're right. LSU fans LOVE to tout "per capita" when it comes to HS recruiting because it makes their state appear better, when in reality per capita is utterly irrelevant when it comes to the bigger picture. Here is a massively hyperbolic example for HS recruiting:

-State A is large and has 5,000 high school seniors playing ball. They have 200 upper level prospects with 50 of them being 5* caliber and 150 being 4* caliber players. They have another several hundred 3* players then several thousand other guys that you can find some value in potentially.

-State B is teeny tiny and has 50 HS seniors. 3 are 5* caliber and 5 are 4* caliber. 10 of them are 3* and the rest are whatever.

State B has a shitton more blue chip type players "per capita". Based on percentage of overall talent pool state B has a higher percentage of 5*, higher percentage of 4*, higher percentage of 3*, basically they are better across the board. But no coach in their right mind, or anyone using logic, would claim that state B is the better state for HS talent.

Posted by bad93ex
Walnut Cove
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Posted on 7/30/24 at 8:41 am to
Is there an unbelievable amount of estrogen in the water for NH and VT?
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
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Posted on 7/30/24 at 9:18 am to
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But no coach in their right mind, or anyone using logic, would claim that state B is the better state for HS talent.


It’s straight math

State B seems like it’s just made up of Karr, Warren Easton, Destrehan, John Curtis, University, and Westgate. That would undoubtedly be the best state there is
This post was edited on 7/30/24 at 9:19 am
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
87649 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 9:25 am to
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It’s straight math


yes! You are exactly right!

And straight math (not to mention logic, common season, and basic reasoning skills) would indicate that the state with A TON more highly ranked recruits than another would be the better state for talent. Glad we agree.

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State B seems like it’s just made up of Karr, Warren Easton, Destrehan, John Curtis, University, and Westgate. That would undoubtedly be the best state there is


Now imagine a state with the same schools you just mentioned plus 20 more of them.
Posted by Mstate
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2009
9910 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 9:26 am to
Man if we could find a way to kick ole miss out and consolidate all of Mississippi’s talent we would become a fricking problem
Posted by SoDakHawk
South Dakota
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 7/30/24 at 9:36 am to
We could look at this map and notice how Iowa is an outlier compared to the rest of the Midwest states in producing and developing NFL talent. Not surprising considering Iowa and (I will admit) Iowa State are good developmental programs for moving players on to the NFL.

Iowa HS football is not on the same level as other states but there are some boys that can play ball in that state and Ferentz and Campbell are getting hold of these kids and molding them into NFLers.

That's all this map says to me. I am not even comparing Iowa with the South.
Posted by PPeterson1
Choklahoma
Member since Jul 2010
2072 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 10:21 am to
Now do NFL players by state, then do NFL star players by state and tell me Louisiana talent is not elite. Just in WRs alone Louisiana has 3 of the top 5 NFL WRs. You can downplay any other state but you won’t win the argument downplaying Louisiana talent.
Posted by PPeterson1
Choklahoma
Member since Jul 2010
2072 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 10:23 am to
What you’re not getting is recruiting services fail to properly rank Louisiana every year. It’s why you see 3 star recruits come out of the state and make it to the NFL often.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
34053 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 10:24 am to
quote:

you were downvoted into oblivion even though you're right. LSU fans LOVE to tout "per capita" when it comes to HS recruiting because it makes their state appear better, when in reality per capita is utterly irrelevant when it comes to the bigger picture.

LSU is third in recruiting rankings in 2025 currently and almost half of the class is from LA. They have the shortest average distance from the school to where their recruits live in the top 25 classes, too.
Posted by Tiger Dan 16
Central City, New Orleans
Member since Jul 2024
112 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 11:13 am to
i'm not arguing it being factual, it's just really hard to believe is all.

CA, SC, TX, ARK....wtf is going on?
Posted by Dairy Sanders
Member since Apr 2022
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Posted on 7/30/24 at 1:43 pm to
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We could look at this map and notice how Iowa is an outlier compared to the rest of the Midwest states in producing and developing NFL talent. Not surprising considering Iowa and (I will admit) Iowa State are good developmental programs for moving players on to the NFL.



Making a lot of assumptions there. Depending on how they classify what state the players come from (where they are born vs. where they came out of high school) you could be looking at a lot of players who never played a down of football in their birth state or went out of state after high school.

And another thing that isn’t considered is the state’s population when the players were born/came out of high school vs. now. South Carolina’s population has grown by nearly 40% since 2000. We’ve grown by 5-6% since 2020 alone. Some states have remained flat.
Posted by Hayekian serf
GA
Member since Dec 2020
3043 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 2:08 pm to
That map said FU to Wisconsin
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27600 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 2:14 pm to
quote:

you were downvoted into oblivion even though you're right. LSU fans LOVE to tout "per capita" when it comes to HS recruiting because it makes their state appear better, when in reality per capita is utterly irrelevant when it comes to the bigger picture. Here is a massively hyperbolic example for HS recruiting:


Exactly...not too mention the breakdown of demographics for each state.Why are counting females or elderly males or even males over 30 for your control group?The numbers are always fluid but go ahead and put a feather in your cap and puff your chest if it's that important to you.

And look what I found :

Georgia #1 in "per capita" players in the NFL
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27600 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 2:16 pm to
quote:

you were downvoted into oblivion even though you're right. LSU fans LOVE to tout "per capita" when it comes to HS recruiting because it makes their state appear better, when in reality per capita is utterly irrelevant when it comes to the bigger picture. Here is a massively hyperbolic example for HS recruiting:


Exactly...not to mention the breakdown of demographics for each state.Why are counting females or elderly males or even males over 30 for your control group?The numbers are always fluid but go ahead and put a feather in your cap and puff your chest if it's that important to you.

And look what I found :

Georgia #1 in "per capita" players in the NFL

Georgia ranks first this season in NFL players per capita and fourth in players overall, according to league data released last weekend. This is based on the players’ high schools.

Per capita*

71,413 - Georgia

72,777 - Louisiana

83,738 - Alabama

92,540 - Mississippi

121,001 - Florida

125,831 - Utah

128,692 - Maryland

131,242 - South Carolina

155,858 - Texas

158,173 - North Carolina

This was for the 2023 season

Is this how your supposed to do it?

quote:

187 - Texas

178 - Florida

173 - California

150 - Georgia

67 - Ohio

66 - North Carolina

64 - Louisiana

60 - Alabama

55 - Pennsylvania

51 - Michigan




ETA And even if these numbers are accurate it's still means nothing other than most of the top states put a big emphasis on HS FB
This post was edited on 7/30/24 at 2:28 pm
Posted by tigre704
Member since Nov 2018
1717 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 2:17 pm to
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But no coach in their right mind, or anyone using logic, would claim that state B is the better state for HS talent.



No one has ever said Louisiana is the best state for recruits. The claim has always been that LSU has a better situation than everyone else because of its status as a lone power program in-state. Mississippi has always had similar per capita numbers and no one has ever argued Ole Miss or MSU have the best in-state recruiting situation.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
49587 posts
Posted on 7/30/24 at 2:44 pm to
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No one has ever said Louisiana is the best state for recruits.


But at some positions and body types it is…
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