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re: Should a team’s worst hitter bat 9th?
Posted on 4/24/25 at 3:36 pm to McDonaldsBagMan
Posted on 4/24/25 at 3:36 pm to McDonaldsBagMan
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Your 9 hole hitter is going to have the lowest overall amount of at-bats.
These analysts are overthinking it. Your worst hitter should absolutely be in the 9 hole.
on average, your 7 and 8 hole hitters aren't getting enough more ABs per game than your 9 hole hitter for it to be statistically relevant. The only way it happens is if the 7 or 8 hole hitter is the last batter of the game. How often do you think that happens over the course of a season? Conversely, the 9 hole hitter is going to bat immediately before your lead off hitter multiple times every game. If you think about a batting order like a loop, you don't have to use much analytics to figure out why managers do it.
This post was edited on 4/24/25 at 3:39 pm
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Posted on 4/24/25 at 4:02 pm to Chicken
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if the trend on your team
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can you show me the data?
you want him to show data on a hypothetical?
Posted on 4/24/25 at 7:14 pm to McDonaldsBagMan
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NL pitchers batted 8th "back in the day" because they were better hitters (or had better OBP) than the player starting that day in the 9 hole.
No
Posted on 4/25/25 at 8:27 am to mdomingue
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If you have a really good hitter who does not have any power, then I would think he needs to bat 1, 2 or 9.
This is the old school approach. Modern Day MLB managers put the guys with the highest OBP at 1 or 2 regardless of power. Judge bats 2nd in the Yankees lineup vs RHP.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 11:08 am to sorantable
Tony La Russa has said that eighth is where the worst hitters should hit. The logic is that if you have the worst hitter bat ninth, there will never be anybody on base to drive in when the leadoff hitter (who is presumably a good hitter) is at the plate.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 12:41 pm to Master of Sinanju
I’d say if you end an inning most likely around 6-7-8. If your worst hitter is 7th you have 8 and 9 to set the table for your best 4 hitters.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 12:47 pm to GeauxtigersMs36
9 needs to be able to get it back to the top. Yes, they'll have fewer ABs by default. Still, it's important to flip it back to your leadoff.
I've actually seen coaches put their worst hitter 2nd and made him a professional bunter. I'm not a fan of that at all personally. Now I would always make my 2 hole a lefty if possible so he can hit behind the ball and move the runner.
I've actually seen coaches put their worst hitter 2nd and made him a professional bunter. I'm not a fan of that at all personally. Now I would always make my 2 hole a lefty if possible so he can hit behind the ball and move the runner.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 12:50 pm to Bench McElroy
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Tony La Russa has said that eighth is where the worst hitters should hit. The logic is that if you have the worst hitter bat ninth, there will never be anybody on base to drive in when the leadoff hitter (who is presumably a good hitter) is at the plate.
So you put the 2nd worst at 9?
Posted on 4/25/25 at 12:53 pm to TackySweater
No, hopefully you have a pesky hitter that can get on base some in your 9 hole.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 1:13 pm to RoscoeHarper
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No, hopefully you have a pesky hitter that can get on base some in your 9 hole.
So similar to what your worst hitter should be
Posted on 4/25/25 at 2:24 pm to TackySweater
Not really. Worst hitter doesn't mean they have no power. A bad hitter doesn't get on base much regardless of any other attribute.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 2:54 pm to Chicken
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so with the game on the line, do you want the 7th best batter up or the 9th best batter up?
Bottom of the 9th, runner in scoring position...your No. 7 guy is up...do you want him to be your worst hitter or your 7th best hitter?
I would think you want you best hitters batting more than your worst...
You're basically trading 40 or so extra at bats for a better chance that when you turn over to the top of the order that those guys have a better chance at driving in some runs from your 8 and 9 hole hitters
This really depends on roster construction though. If your 7th best hitter is a slow catcher who is a lower OBP guy but has pop, probably just keep him in the 7 hole.
Posted on 4/25/25 at 3:13 pm to lsu777
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na...the nerds have made it to where the game is played at a higher level than ever before
And less entertaining. They think the object is to win games. The object is to put a product on the field people will watch.
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