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re: Tim Boyle somehow became an NFL QB with these college stats
Posted on 12/16/24 at 4:04 pm to Jenious
Posted on 12/16/24 at 4:04 pm to Jenious
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Regardless, Simms was the 7th overall pick in 1979. His college stats were:
5,554 yards, 32 TD's, 45 INTs and he never won more than 3 games in a season at Morehead State.
The #1 QB taken in the 1979 draft was Jack Thompson. In his senior season, he threw for 2333 yards, completed 50.3% of his passes, had 17 TDs and 20 INTs. His team, Washington St, went 4-6-1, 7-4, 3-8, 3-8 while he was the starting QB
The runner-up for the Heisman in 1978 was Chuck Fusina of Penn St. He threw for 1959 yards, completed 56.6% of his passes, had 11 TDs and 12 INTs. And no he didn't run the ball either. He had -116 yards rushing and 2 TDs.
It was a completely different era. You can look at the raw passing stats for any QB in that era, and you aren't going to be impressed
It's also worth noting that Morehead St moved up from DII to 1-AA while he was there. It shouldn't be surprising his team had a terrible record. He went 6-4 as a rookie starter in the NFL (including winning his first 5 starts), so maybe his team's shitty record in college wasn't his fault.
This post was edited on 12/16/24 at 4:20 pm
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Posted on 12/16/24 at 4:27 pm to lsufball19
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You can look at the raw passing stats for any QB in that era, and you aren't going to be impressed
Marc Wilson threw for 3,700 yards and 29 TDs in 1979.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 4:34 pm to Jenious
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Marc Wilson threw for 3,700 yards and 29 TDs in 1979.
I'll admit that's impressive for 1979. Now, why don't you two just hash it out at the nearest Sonic.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 4:40 pm to Jenious
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in 1979.
fine, let's take everything completely literally. In 1979, only 13 QBs hit the 2000 yard mark, only 2 the 3000 yard mark. Only 5 threw for 20 TDs or more, 4 of them being between 20-22 TDs. Of those 4, they all threw between 11 and 18 INTs. Statical outliers don't really change the argument. In 1978, Simms' senior year, the NCAA passing leader was Mike Ford of SMU. He had 3007 passing yards, 17 INTS and 23 TDs. It's pretty obvious why you didn't want to use the 1978 season.
Just go look at the NFL draft in the 70s. Look at the 1st round QBs. Look at their college stats, and come back and tell me any of them jump of the page as impressive to you. Can you find more than 1 player? 2? Because I can guarantee you the vast majority of those guys would appear to be shitty QBs looking at them through the lens of 2024 (or even through the lens of 2004). A LOT of QBs, both in college and in the NFL, in that era barely completed 50% of their passes and threw close to as many or more INTs as TDs.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 4:44 pm to lsufball19
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He went 6-4 as a rookie starter in the NFL (including winning his first 5 starts), so maybe his team's shitty record in college wasn't his fault.
I'm a Giants fan and Simms struggled pretty bad his first four years, turned it around afterwards. I think that's why the Giants were patient with Daniel Jones.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 4:45 pm to lsufball19
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Look at their college stats, and come back and tell me any of them jump of the page as impressive to you.
Same goes for WR's. Irving Fryar's college resume isn't too impressive but he was selected #1 Overall.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 5:35 pm to lsufball19
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It was a completely different era
If only Tim Boyle was born 40 years ago. He would have been a 1st round pick!
Posted on 12/16/24 at 6:26 pm to Jenious
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If only Tim Boyle was born 40 years ago. He would have been a 1st round pick!
Tim Boyles’ numbers compared to his peers were terrible. Simms’ weren’t. See the difference?
Posted on 12/16/24 at 6:45 pm to lsufball19
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See the difference?
In the words of the great Ric Flair:
WOOOOOOOO!
Posted on 12/16/24 at 6:51 pm to lsufball19
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Tim Boyles’ numbers compared to his peers were terrible. Simms’ weren’t. See the difference
In all seriousness though, I get what you're saying. Different times. Even the great Joe Montana threw as many TDs as he did INTs. I still don't think Phil Simms should have been a first round pick, let alone a top 10 pick.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 7:02 pm to Jenious
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This post was edited on 12/16/24 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:43 pm to saintsfan22
Jack Thompson, the Throwin Samoan
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:46 pm to S
It's pretty simple, he was Aaron Rodgers friend and he made teams keep him on the roster because of that.
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