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re: Which coach has the best coaching tree?
Posted on 12/15/22 at 9:22 pm to TigerintheNO
Posted on 12/15/22 at 9:22 pm to TigerintheNO
I legitimately lost count of the number of Super Bowls wins in Bill Walsh’s tree.
Walsh (x3)
Holmgren
Reid
Harbaugh
McCarthy
Gruden
Seifert (x2)
Shanahan (x2)
Kubiak
Billick
Dungy
I think I got them all but wouldn’t be surprised if I missed one.
Walsh (x3)
Holmgren
Reid
Harbaugh
McCarthy
Gruden
Seifert (x2)
Shanahan (x2)
Kubiak
Billick
Dungy
I think I got them all but wouldn’t be surprised if I missed one.
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Posted on 12/15/22 at 9:45 pm to Bench McElroy
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Paul Brown's coaching tree is so insane that you need to download a file to read all of the text
They kind of just added names for the sake of adding names
could’ve probably omitted Lou Tepper, Gerry Dinardo, Kevin Sumlin, etc.
Posted on 12/15/22 at 10:07 pm to pioneerbasketball
don james, washington huskies had a good tree
Posted on 12/15/22 at 10:20 pm to Merchant Tiger
Bill Walsh.
Posted on 12/15/22 at 10:23 pm to Zendog
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Saban's on Belichick's tree
No, Don James.
Posted on 12/15/22 at 10:28 pm to SeeeeK
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don james, washington huskies had a good tree
That coaching tree has at least 10 college football championships since 1990.
This post was edited on 12/15/22 at 10:40 pm
Posted on 12/15/22 at 10:49 pm to Merchant Tiger
Paul Brown
/thread
Its too big to be legible.
Paul Brown
Lou Saban (Nick Saban)
Don Shula
Bill Walsh
Weeb Ewbank
Chuck Noll
Chuck Knox
Ray Perkins
Buddy Ryan
Mike Holmgren
Tony Dungy
Bill Parcells
Marty
Jeff Fisher
Jon Gruden
Andy Reid
Lovie Smith
Mike Tomlin
Bill Cowher
Bill Belichick
Tom Coughlin
/thread
Its too big to be legible.
Paul Brown
Lou Saban (Nick Saban)
Don Shula
Bill Walsh
Weeb Ewbank
Chuck Noll
Chuck Knox
Ray Perkins
Buddy Ryan
Mike Holmgren
Tony Dungy
Bill Parcells
Marty
Jeff Fisher
Jon Gruden
Andy Reid
Lovie Smith
Mike Tomlin
Bill Cowher
Bill Belichick
Tom Coughlin
This post was edited on 12/15/22 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 12/15/22 at 11:23 pm to Lester Earl
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Mike Shanahan is pretty strong
And he was part of the Walsh tree making the Walsh tree that much more impressive
Posted on 12/15/22 at 11:48 pm to Powerman
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And he was part of the Walsh tree making the Walsh tree that much more impressive
Shanahan was already a HC before he joined the 49ers. And Walsh wasn’t even the coach at that point. So merely an influence
His first HC was from out under Dan Reeves umbrella
Posted on 12/15/22 at 11:52 pm to Lester Earl
Bruce Coslet
Posted on 12/16/22 at 6:27 am to bulldog95
Earl Blaik
Sid Gillman worked for Earl Blaik. So did Paul Dietzel, Vince Lombardi, Bill Yeoman, Murray Warmath, and many others.
Anything coming off of Gillman’s tree has a direct line back to Earl Blaik.
In the book When Pride Still Mattered it touches on the coaching talent Blaik had working for him. It’s absolutely mind boggling.
Then again, Blaik worked for George Little who prior to becoming a head coach himself worked under Fielding Yost at Michigan.
Sid Gillman worked for Earl Blaik. So did Paul Dietzel, Vince Lombardi, Bill Yeoman, Murray Warmath, and many others.
Anything coming off of Gillman’s tree has a direct line back to Earl Blaik.
In the book When Pride Still Mattered it touches on the coaching talent Blaik had working for him. It’s absolutely mind boggling.
Then again, Blaik worked for George Little who prior to becoming a head coach himself worked under Fielding Yost at Michigan.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 7:03 am to Merchant Tiger
You have to really limit what "coaching tree" is to have this discussion. I always have found the fairest way is to permit 2 degrees and require the underlings to be an on-field coach (so no quality control, analyst, grad assistant, etc. guys).
Otherwise you're just going to go back in time because there have only been so many coaches and if you create associations so loosely as to count, and you can go backwards infinitely, then it will, by default, be a super old coach
ETA: I also think that to count under another coach that on field position needs to be early in your career
Otherwise you're just going to go back in time because there have only been so many coaches and if you create associations so loosely as to count, and you can go backwards infinitely, then it will, by default, be a super old coach
ETA: I also think that to count under another coach that on field position needs to be early in your career
This post was edited on 12/16/22 at 8:32 am
Posted on 12/16/22 at 7:56 am to Jack Ruby
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Bill Walsh is the answer.
From Paul Brown's coaching tree and Paul Brown may be the real answer for professional football.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 8:29 am to VABuckeye
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Bill Walsh is the answer.
quote:
From Paul Brown's coaching tree
Perfect example of what I was talking about. Walsh is part of Brown's tree but is McVay?
Posted on 12/16/22 at 9:04 am to SlowFlowPro
I think the coaching tree thing is overrated. Once you’re a head football coach or coordinator in the NFL, it’s virtually impossible not to retain some sort of NFL coaching job. Odds are these guys end up coaching with a lot of different coaches and mentors.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:20 am to Merchant Tiger
I'd say Adam. Although his inability to keep Eve from taking a bite from the apple is a huge mark on his coaching resume.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:29 am to Jack Ruby
Kyle Shanahan and all of his progeny can be directly connected to Mike.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:31 am to Merchant Tiger
Parcels maybe
Posted on 12/16/22 at 12:22 pm to Merchant Tiger
No one has mentioned Lavell Edwards?
Amazing list for someone who never coached in the NFL
Probably more just from this part of the tree:
Mumme and Leach both said Edwards was their biggest influence and once Leach found out Mumme was a Edwards disciple he had to coach with em.
Amazing list for someone who never coached in the NFL
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NFL Head Coaches
Brian Billick (BYU tight end 1974-77, Grad. Assistant 1978)
Mike Holmgren (BYU quarterbacks coach 1982-85)
Andy Reid (BYU OL 1978-80, Grad. Assistant 1982)
quote:
College Head Coaches
Scott Brumfield (BYU OL 1990-92)
Norm Chow (BYU assistant 1973-1999)
Jim Criner (BYU assistant 1972)
Mike Empey (BYU OL 1987; 91-93, GA 94-96, OT/TE 00-04)
Wally English (BYU OC & QB coach 1978)
Scott Giles (BYU LB 1990-91, GA 1993-94)
Tom Holmoe (BYU DB 1978-82, GA 1990-91)
Dave Kragthorpe (BYU OC & OL coach 1970-1979)
Ed Lamb (BYU LB 1995-96)
Dwain Painter (BYU QB&WR coach 1974-75)
Jim Paronto (BYU LB 1983-84)
Mesa State: 1990-93
Steve Sarkisian (BYU QB 1995-86)
Doug Scoville (BYU OC & QB coach 1976-77, 1979-80)
Mike Sheppard (BYU GA 1977-78)
Kalani Sitake (BYU RB 1994, 1997-2000)
Charlie Stubbs (BYU Alum, GA 1983-84)
Ted Tollner (BYU QB coach 1981)
Garrett Tujague (BYU OL 1989-91)
DeWayne Walker (BYU CB coach 1994)
Kyle Whittingham (BYU LB 1978-81, GA 1985-86)
Probably more just from this part of the tree:
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Other Connections (did not coach or play for Coach Edwards)
Mike Leach - BYU alum, heavily influenced by Coach Edwards
Hal Mumme - Coach Edwards a major influence on his offensive strategy
Mumme and Leach both said Edwards was their biggest influence and once Leach found out Mumme was a Edwards disciple he had to coach with em.
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