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Can someone explain why Citizen Kane is the greatest movie of all time?
Posted on 8/7/21 at 7:41 am
Posted on 8/7/21 at 7:41 am
I watched it last night and came away very underwhelmed.
I Googled it and basically it used a bunch of film techniques that are used to this day.
Not one article says it was a great story or perfectly acted....just that the film techniques were great.
I Googled it and basically it used a bunch of film techniques that are used to this day.
Not one article says it was a great story or perfectly acted....just that the film techniques were great.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 7:47 am to rondo
It's not. That award goes to Rocky 2
Posted on 8/7/21 at 7:55 am to rondo
You hit the nail on the head with new film techniques. It blew people away with what they were seeing, but we can’t recognize it as not just being commonplace. Story wise I think Tiny Toons had the better adaptation.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 7:57 am to rondo
I'm a baby boomer and this film was consider the GOAT when I was young. Obviously there have been decades on newer films produced to compare this film too.
The best answer to your question is a famous quote from "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance":
“when the legend becomes fact, print the legend”
The best answer to your question is a famous quote from "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance":
“when the legend becomes fact, print the legend”
Posted on 8/7/21 at 8:02 am to rondo
Here's an extensive review by Dennis Grunes that goes into considerable detail about Citizen Kane and the Orson Welles: Citizen Kane
The fundamental premise seems to be: materialism can create an empty isolated loveless life.
The fundamental premise seems to be: materialism can create an empty isolated loveless life.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 8:04 am to rondo
Orson Wells thought Buster Keaton's The General was the greatest.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 8:22 am to rondo
I didn’t like it either and didn’t get the hype.
There was a long thread on this a couple months back that explained a lot. Didn’t make me like the movie better but I gained an appreciation for why it is hyped.
There was a long thread on this a couple months back that explained a lot. Didn’t make me like the movie better but I gained an appreciation for why it is hyped.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 8:31 am to rondo
It is a great movie with a compelling story, but the key to its influence is the huge number of innovative things stuffed in a single film so there is a synergy that makes the movie look more modern than it should compared to its contemporaries.
Sure, there are legendary films from that era that are probably way better, even for a modern audience - It Happened One Night, His Girl Friday, Casablanca, Wizard of Oz, Gone With The Wind, The Best Years of Our Lives, etc., but Kane endures because it is almost synonymous with Welles and that sort of visual filmmaking revolution it precipitated.
Sure, there are legendary films from that era that are probably way better, even for a modern audience - It Happened One Night, His Girl Friday, Casablanca, Wizard of Oz, Gone With The Wind, The Best Years of Our Lives, etc., but Kane endures because it is almost synonymous with Welles and that sort of visual filmmaking revolution it precipitated.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 8:50 am to Ace Midnight
That’s why I hate all time lists. You can’t compare a movie in the 30s to movie in 2000
In 50 years The Avengers is going to look like a NES game.
A better description would be best of the decades.
In 50 years The Avengers is going to look like a NES game.
A better description would be best of the decades.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 8:57 am to rondo
it's one of those things where you have to really watch the movies of its time to truly appreciate just how groundbreaking it is. it all seems routine now, including the story, because it created many fundamental aspects of film
Posted on 8/7/21 at 8:58 am to rondo
Its like Michael Jackson's Thriller...thou its not even MJ's best video...at the time...it was a Short Film.
Before Thriller a video was just an artist sing their song.
Thriller was on a whole different level...and budget.
Before Thriller a video was just an artist sing their song.
Thriller was on a whole different level...and budget.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 9:06 am to rondo
I’ve never seen it. Looks boring.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 9:09 am to rondo
You kind of answered your own question.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 9:21 am to rondo
Citizen Kane is ranked as the greatest film of all time because film critics are failed wannabe film makers, so they see films from the film maker's perspective instead of the audience's perspective.
This is also why the RT score and the audience score are so different for some films.
This is also why the RT score and the audience score are so different for some films.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 9:22 am to dallastiger55
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You can’t compare a movie in the 30s to movie in 2000
Some are transcendent, though.
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In 50 years The Avengers is going to look like a NES game.
That's the entire flaw in the disposable, bubble gum, "all spectacle" films that dominate Hollywood since the late 1990s - there is little substance to most of these high grossers. Sure, you see films that will stand the test of time float out (No Country for Old Men as an example), but the films that make the most money, by and large, aren't great films with any sort of relevance beyond the bottom line.
And Hollywood is all about the bottom line.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 9:32 am to rondo
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I Googled it and basically it used a bunch of film techniques that are used to this day.
Revolutionary movies often fall into this trap of not living up to expectations. Think of The Matrix and bullet time. It was cool and unique at the time and added wow factor to the movie in 2000, but now it's so basic as a special effect that it's practically cliche.
I too was underwhelmed by Citizen Kane and many older classics I've watched. I'd say the main reason is the pacing of story telling back then was painfully slow compared to today.
This post was edited on 8/7/21 at 9:34 am
Posted on 8/7/21 at 9:37 am to TigerinATL
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I'd say the main reason is the pacing of story telling back then was painfully slow compared to today.
To be fair, they were telling more complicated stories than "Boom! Pow!".
Posted on 8/7/21 at 10:03 am to rondo
Part of the mystique of Kane is the audacity of Welles to paint a very detailed (and unflattering) portrait of one of the most powerful men in the US at the time. Every theatregoer knew that Charles Foster Kane was William Randolph Hearst.
Here’s a writeup from the PBS American Experience episode about the film: The Battle Over Citizen Kane
Here’s a writeup from the PBS American Experience episode about the film: The Battle Over Citizen Kane
Posted on 8/7/21 at 10:09 am to Ace Midnight
quote:And were limited in what they could show/depict, because no CGI
To be fair, they were telling more complicated stories than "Boom! Pow!".
Watch Tora Tora Tora!
Read about what they had to do to get those effects.
Then watch the recent Pearl Harbor movie.
Just like with great athletes, you have to compare the to their day.
That said, White Heat is the GOAT
Posted on 8/7/21 at 10:21 am to rondo
The story of the failed American Dream, the rich guy who has it all yet is still miserable. This story has been told to death but was brand new in the 40s. Also Orson Welles brought so much new innovations to filmmaking that we take for granted - modern cinematography started here with characters shot in shadows or at low & high angles. Being filmed in actual rooms and not a soundstage, the beautiful tracking shots, the non chronological storytelling bouncing all of the different ages of Kane throughout his life, the final twist ending at the very end which really puts everything into perspective. Orson Welles basically took the whole game and flipped it on its head.
You don’t have to think it’s the best ever and sure you could make the argument that it’s slightly overrated, but let’s show some fricking respect. All of us love movies, and Citizen Kane was a huge leap forward. Look at its contemporaries at the time and you can see the huge difference in quality.
You don’t have to think it’s the best ever and sure you could make the argument that it’s slightly overrated, but let’s show some fricking respect. All of us love movies, and Citizen Kane was a huge leap forward. Look at its contemporaries at the time and you can see the huge difference in quality.
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